Man who punched Asian woman more than 100 times sentenced to 17.5 years in prison

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  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not my legal opinion.

    First, I don't have "legal opinions". I have opinions on topics, but I am by no means a legal authority.

    Second, your conclusion does not seem to be supported by anything I stated.
     
  2. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well clearly your non-legal opinion that mass shooters getting bail clearly had a lot of thought put into it.
     
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    Yet here you are trying to justify bail for mass shooters.

    Do you remember what you post or forget immediately?
     
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  4. Alwayssa

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    Why is it that conservatives who talk about the US Constitution and follow the US Constitution are always the first to try to get rid of the US Constitution when it does not fit their political agenda?
     
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    Oh well then point to the part of the constitution that gives a mass shooter that got caught red handed (no pun intended) bail.
     
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    Why?
    Politics 101...
     
  7. Alwayssa

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    Would you like for me to explain what he was charged with in the beginning? He was accused of shooting three people, killing two, and wounding one. In that definition and your argument, he would not have been allowed BAIL before his trial. His trial had him acquitted based on reasonable doubt. And that is all the jury did. And that is the system, the same system as that illegal alien who was accused and was acquitted.

    But hindsight is always 20/10, isn't it?
     
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    8th amendment for one, 5th amendment two. And for investigations, you have the 4th amendment. And finally the 10th amendment, which allows states to sets the rules on bail.
     
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    Well that seems inaccurate
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah I mean why shouldn't someone that tried to randomly kill a bunch of people be out in public.

    What could go wrong.

    You keep making those amazing arguments and thumping the Constitution though.
     
  11. Think for myself

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    What are the absolute, unwavering conditions where bail should be denied?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd think firing randomly into a group of people trying to commit mass murder would probably be one.
     
  13. Alwayssa

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    Without the Constitution, we would not have a country, a free for all, and you will be one of the first casualties per Murphy's law, among others.

    they would have to meet bail and all the conditions set in that bail. But the concept of innocent until proven guilty somehow is beyond your elementary thinking here.

    Now, if you want some juice to start with, try this one for size. The perpetrator was already out on parole serving an 8-year sentence and under the supervision of the Texas Department of Corrections, Abbott here. He was allowed to see his girlfriend to have birth, per the TDOC. He was given a plea deal in 2015 that was very sweet despite having a Republican District Attorney at that time. He had an ankle monitor, took the monitor off before proceeding to the Hospital. The Texas Rangers, not the Baseball Team, is investigating along with Dallas Methodist Hospital Police Department.

    The point is that you cannot hinge all the problems with Democrats or whatever group you are thinking of. And serious mistakes can and do occur even though they should not.

    Nestor Hernandez
     
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    Kyle Rittenhouse again, among others. You are basically arguing guilty until proven innocent here. That works in most countries, but not here.
     
  15. Think for myself

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    Okay. What size does the group need to be to qualify?
     
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    She soaked all he could give...if that's the best hands he can throw, good luck in prison bud. Hope your sucker punch game is on point.
     
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    Ah trying to equate self defense with mass murder again.

    Another great argument.

    You should think and then post.
     
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    I would normally say that 17.5 years punishment is excessive and unfair for this type of situation, but this attack was brutal and prolonged, and carried out for no reason.

    The fact that the victim was a weak little petite Asian woman who was extra vulnerable and could not defend herself, and had done absolutely nothing to provoke the attack, was no doubt also a factor taken into consideration when the judge imposed this harsh prison sentence. It really has to say something bad about the frame of mind of the perpetrator that he kept punching her so many times for so long.

    Keep in mind that some people get sentenced to only 15 years for murder, so what this man did in this situation was seen as really bad.
     
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    We know why, the demographics.
     
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    Incorrect. KR is an American hero who defending himself both righteously and effectively against blm and antifa terrorists. There is no rational comparison to be made there lol.
     
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    The political right always seem to drag in the politics out of nowhere.
     
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    A lot of people say he's gay, a heck of a lot of people also say he aint.
    He was married a couple of times, and while some people who said he went to the gay bar before/plenty of times are being rebuked by the people who work there and other costumers.
    But I guess the GOP still likes fake news when it pleases their agenda, when they aint too busy recounting votes.
     
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    Also keep in mind that when a person is black in the US, that they actually do get a longer sentence.
    It's not a written law, but statistics show out that this is actually happening for decades now.


    So it's not really a surprise that when you mention som people get 15 years for murder, and this guy 17.5.
    You got to factor in the skin color. It is what it is.
     
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    That is not necessarily true. As they say in statistics, correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

    It's a lot easier to say that blacks get sentenced more for a certain category of crime than it is to actually carefully go through those statistics and see whether those are really equivalent crimes, with equivalent criminal histories of the suspects at the time of sentencing.

    Maybe the issue could even be that white people are hiring better lawyers.
    Or black people could be statistically more likely to live in parts of the country that have harsher sentences. That is, the racial disparity might actually correspond to geographic differences in statistical distribution.

    To find out if there is any actual racism or bias by analyzing the data would be more complicated than you assume.
     
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