Let's terminate the Constitution!!

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  1. Overitall

    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That makes very little sense. Perhaps because it's not something one would find in reality, but in one's dream world
     
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    Did I make an "argument"?

    I asked a question, and it's very silly to suggest that he made no effort to conceal documents that he stole and hid at a ****ing golf club, and then lied about giving them all back.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure you did. You argued that the documents were stolen. Don't you understand how arguments are made?
     
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    Why yes I do. How did the Orange Thief end up with the documents? Why did he still have some of the documents after his lawyers certified that they were all returned?
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's something that remains to be determined.
     
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    This post seems to fit some Trump supporters, a syndrome type of sort, projection is cleansing of the soul AKA confession.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let me know when you wake up. until then enjoy your day. :)
     
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    I'm impressed with the mental gymnastics required for this kind of excuse. The documents were clearly the property of the government. They were marked as such. Trump has admitted that he took them. Yes, he did conceal that he still had more even after turning over the 15 boxes. None of the excuses Trump has given since then have made any sense.
     
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    Deeply ironic and inevitable :)
     
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    NOPE, I listened to the testimony of MANY, MANY credible Republican witnesses that stated plainly tRaitor tRump had been told MANY, MANY, MANY times he had lost the election fair and square. I disagree that a NORMAL human being would disregardful the counsel of competent advisors. NOW, if you're claiming that tRaitor tRump is mentally incompetent to listen to good advice then I have to say that disqualifies him from being President of These United States. In any case wanting to terminate OUR Constitution for his singular PERSONAL benefit is all the disqualification any patriot should need.
     
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    Trump's argument is he had a right to possess them. That's not stealing; at worst it's faulty judgement.
     
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    I get the "He's just an idiot" argument, but it doesn't change the fact that he took things that weren't his and he was repeatedly warned, including by his lawyers, that they weren't his. Trump's "argument" is dumber than my first pet rock. "I declassified them" (which there is no evidence of anyway) would not make them his documents, and he has repeatedly lied about other presidents doing the same. He's offered no real argument.
     
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    "THAT" is untrue, he had his attorney lie about the fact he had surrendered all documents AND then continued to retain classified documents well past their being requested, which is why the search warrant of his property was granted. IF tRaitor tRump had turned over the requested documents, that were found during the search of his property, WHEN they were requested ...

    There never would have been a search.

    The public would have never found out about the STOLEN documents.

    And we wouldn't even be discussing the issue.

    It is obvious theft when those documents were requested by legitimate authority and they were still retained at tRaitor tRumps bequest.
     
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    Tell me, which policy position does DeSantis champion that Trump is against? What policy position does Trump support that DeSantis is against? Where do they differ in policy?
     
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    I said what I meant. Whatever you inferred I implied is on you.
     
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    I think tRaitor tRump is against DeSenseless's "policy" to run for President. And DeSensesless would never admit to a desire to "terminate" OUR Constitution.
     
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    Ah, so you're saying that Trump must be mentally ill for not agreeing with the 'experts'... that's just straight up authoritarian cliche right there, certainly not evidence that what Trump said was a call to 'terminate the constitution'.
     
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    Bullshit.
     
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    Fake news. He did not call for the termination of the constitution, if you'd actually read what his truth post said. Instead, you just go by how fake news Politico and farty Swalwell twisted his words.

    You can clearly see that Trump said: "A massive fraud of this type and magnitude [re: Twitter colluding with Uniparty government to meddle in (s)elections] allows for the termination of all rules..., even those found in the constitution. [meaning that the aforementioned collusion between big tech and government allows for those entities to effectively bypass election laws, even those found in the constitution].

    He is calling for the issue of election fraud to be addressed, especially with what Elon Musk is releasing about how Twitter has colluded with the DNC and government and has meddled in elections of all sorts. He is NOT calling for the constitution to be suspended. He is NOT calling for martial law.

    Democrats have already effectively suspended the constitution and you are none the wiser. They don't recognize anyone's "rights" but their own (along with recognizing a number of "rights" that don't exist, to benefit themselves). J6 political prisoners are currently rotting in prison without the right to due process or to a speedy trial, in violation of the 5th and 6th amendments. Donald Trump had his home raided without any sort of specific search warrant, in violation of the 4th amendment. Democrats are coming after people's guns, little by little, violating the 2nd amendment.

    ** They reject the limits on the legislative powers of Congress. (thus rejecting Article I)

    ** They reject the executive powers of the President if they happen to not like the President, and they reject the Electoral College. They reject the proper method and reasoning for removing a President from office. They reject the enumerated duties of a President, especially the duties of preserving/defending/protecting the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article II)

    ** They reject the scope and role of SCOTUS and other inferior courts. They believe that SCOTUS are the sole interpreters of the US Constitution. They believe that SCOTUS are oligarchs. (thus rejecting Article III)

    ** They reject the Republican form of government that is guaranteed to the States. They reject protecting the States from invasions and domestic violence (especially when relating to immigration). (thus rejecting Article IV)

    ** They reject the formal amendment process, and instead regularly misuse the court system as a "work-around" to that. They wish to transform the USA into the SOA (Socialist Oligarchy of America). (thus rejecting Article V)

    ** They reject legislating in pursuance of the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article VI)

    ** They reject that the States (collectively) are the owners of the US Constitution. (thus rejecting Article VII)

    ** They also reject many of the Amendments to the Constitution, and actively fight against people's inherent rights (such as the right to have and express an opinion, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, due process, privacy, etc...)

    So, as you can see, Democrats reject the whole works. It gets in their way. They hate the document, and have already effectively done away with it and transformed DC into an oligarchy.

    Yet, here you are believing the lies of Politico and farty Swalwell, instead of reading and comprehending Trump's words for yourself... instead of recognizing how Democrats have already effectively done the things that you are saying Trump is "going to do".
     
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    Despite historic rate hikes, job growth was still 60K above expectations in the last report owing to the strength of the economy. An economy the Fed is doing all it can to slow down.
    Specious accusations about the economy keeps members of The Following from having to deal Trump's suggestion that constitutional law be suspended to allow him to be installed as prez.
     
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    In order for DeSantis to run on that he will have to call out Trump for wanting to terminate the constitution. I don't see him doing that anymore than I see him calling out Trump false voter fraud claims. To do so would be to call out the base's false beliefs. Look at how many people on this forum are defending Trump's comment on the constitution. If he calls Trump out he is essentially calling out the defenders. I don't know if DeSantis is willing to do that. He definitely has not done it to date.
     
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    He didn't just say "bypass." He said "terminate." Again, the excuses get sadder by the day. Yes, we get that this is due to his insane conspiracy theories, but he still said it. He isn't just "calling for the issue of election fraud to be addressed," nor does the Twitter story have anything to do with election fraud. He was specific about how he wanted it to be address . . . by terminating the Constitutional rules of the election. Yes, if his desire were to be granted in this way, it would mean the Constitution has been bypassed. And that's the lightest way to put it.
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
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    You're ignoring one fact. All of this (including the search at Mar-a-Lago) happened after he turned over 15 boxes of material to NARA. The head of that agency saw an opportunity to "get" Trump and the rest is history. If the evidence is so obviously clear why no charges for theft. It shouldn't take long for the DOJ to charge him with theft if nothing else. Of course Biden's wiavement of Trump's EP helped to get the wheels rolling.
     
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    How long do you think that will continue to sell? At the same time, corporation also eliminated 80+K workers that didn't figure in. But you know that. And as the Fed continues to hike rates, and things like housing become unobtainable for average buyers, then what? Have you seen the housing start numbers for the 3rd quarter? Estimates for the 4th Quarter are apocalyptic. But you're interested in slowing down the economy? So, which is it? Exuberance over the feeble attempt to normalize at pre covid levels, or squashing it entirely? Your duality here is perplexing....

    How about this. What Trump wrote obviously isn't what you read it as. The funny thing is, that while you're attacking his having said it, you write the same specious BS all the time on these boards. you advocate for and admonish others for wanting to support or defend constitutional rights every day. You consistently attack many of our most valued constitutional rights because, surprisingly, they keep your actual goal of plantation slavery from coming back.. But who cares, when you can scream "orange man bad" loud enough that you believe you can keep the conversations limited to those few topics that you want... Which essentially is the conversation over at Twitter these days.. It's laughable how disingenuous you actually are these days.
     

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