Exclusive: US finalizing plans to send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    Do you realize that the three Baltic countries are members of NATO?
     
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    That's why Patriots are moving in.
     
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    Silly questions these agents ask.
     
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    True....Dwarfstan thinks they're still Russian.
     
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    Dwarfstan believes half of Poland belongs to Russia....Warsaw included.
     
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    Adolf Putler believes a lot of idiotic stuff. He p4obably thinks that Alaska belongs to RociyaStan.
     
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    There's nothing replacing the $US anytime soon....if ever.

    BRICS.....

    Brazil is in the Western Hemisphere...they know that , and won't jeopardize it.

    China talks a good line....but they're heavy tied in with US economy and won't do anything extreme to solicit sanctions against them.

    India will always trade with US....

    Mafiosi just hates the fact that US is top dog....and they probably looking at further disintegration.
     
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    Yeh little Mike do some research and read, OK?
    Here Mike from WICKYPEDIA…Your last freebie..

    ContentEdit

    According to the three memoranda,[5] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:

    1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[6]
    2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
    3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
    4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
    5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
    6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[7][8

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    According to the three memoranda,[5] Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:

    1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[6]
    2. Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
    3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
    4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
    5. Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
    6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.[7][8
     
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    There are those Russkis who believe Alaska was swindled away and cheated. They indicate it must be returned ....or else?

    Or else what ..I say?
     
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    A Russian crazy extreme right wing anus head who decided to die a year ago wanted Russia to just invade and take over Alaska. It’s name was Zhironovsky.
     
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    Oh yes...Zhirinovsky....the retarded nutcase.

    Yeah...he advocated for invading and taking Alaska.

    I don't think he fully understood the consequences of such actions.
     
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    His own troops are questioning this effort and are complaining about it. The moral is not all that great.
     
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    Indeed. I don't think anyone but Wager's psycho mercs are advancing on their side, and I doubt even they really know what they're fighting for other than rape and plunder.
     
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    When Did Congress Vote To Go To War With Russia?

    'The U.S. government has sent military personnel—ostensibly as “advisors”—to Ukraine to monitor and track the contributed weapons, and of course to train the Ukrainians in their lethal use. We also sent advisors to Vietnam, and before long they were engaged in direct combat with the North Vietnamese and opening a Pandora’s box of unintended consequences. The U.S. Army’s 101st Airborne Division is now on European soil on a “combat deployment” for the first time since World War II. '


    'And this just covers what we know.'

    Time for a Congressional Debate on what our goals, strategies, tactics, and risks are for this US/Russia military confrontation.
     
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    Ronald Reagan's Doctrine:

    '1) The United States should not commit forces to combat overseas unless the particular engagement or occasion is deemed vital to our national interest, or that of our allies.'

    '2) If we decide it is necessary to put combat troops overseas, we should do so wholeheartedly and with the clear intention of winning.'

    '3) If we do decide to commit forces to combat overseas, we should have clearly defined political and military objectives. And we should know precisely how our force can accomplish those clearly defined objectives. And we should have and send the forces to do just that.'

    '4) The relationship between our objectives and the forces we have committed—their size, composition, and disposition—must be continually reassessed and adjusted if necessary.'

    '5) Before the United States commits combat forces abroad, there must be some reasonable assurance we will have the support of the American people and their elected representatives in Congress.'

    '6) The commitment of U.S. forces to combat should be a last resort.'

    Congress Needs To Have A FULL and OPEN debate on this.
     
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    US troops are not going into combat. As I understand it......some are going to teach the Ukrainian soldier how to use the new weapons.
     
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    As he again readies a nuclear weapon, is Putin crazy or crazy like a fox?

    As the US War Party happily engages in yet another war, spending billions and billing it to the US taxpayer, they like to pretend that Russia is NOT the holder of the largest nuclear weapons cache in the world.

    They also like to pretend that they know what Putin is thinking and what he will and won't do, and then they assure us that he will not launch a city buster.

    'Ukraine is and always has been core to Russia’s strategic interests and a critical part of its regional sphere of influence. Russia cannot tolerate Ukraine as a NATO state on its border. Russia believes that the United States has betrayed its commitment, made at the time of the dismantling of the Soviet Union, to not encroach upon Ukrainian neutrality and ongoing relationship with Moscow. To understand this simply, the comparison for us might be to consider how the United States would react to a Chinese military presence in Mexico or Canada, even if invited by those governments?'

    The Cuban Missile Crisis illustrates how we would respond.

    'The United States has no strategic interest in Ukraine that isn’t grounded in a greater objective, which is the destabilization and weakening of the Russian government and economy.'

    I would suspect to be a widely held view in Russia.

    'The unstated but obvious U.S. objective is to supplant Russia as the provider of energy feedstock to Western Europe. This explains why the United States has resisted diplomatic off-ramps and why it appears to be the party most likely responsible for the sabotage of Nord Stream pipeline.'

    We seem to have NO interest in this war ending.

    'It also makes the outcome of the war existential to the Russian government and the Russian people, whether under Putin’s leadership or his successor. Russian leadership is convinced that the true U.S. objective is nothing less than the debilitation of their nation. Russia feels backed into a corner, and they will go to any length required in Ukraine as a matter of national survival.'

    AND THAT'S the problem that Biden and the Happy War Clowns do NOT want us to debate in Congress.

    'For the second time in just three months, Putin's preparing a long-range missile:

    'Footage released Wednesday shows the installation of a massive Russian Yars rocket into a silo at the Kozelsk military compound in the Kaluga region southwest of Moscow.'

    'The intercontinental ballistic missile has a range of 7,500 miles and was installed in a silo launch pad using a special transport and loading unit'

    'The Yars missile complex has a capacity “12 times greater than the American bomb that destroyed Hiroshima,”'

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    Hiroshima before the bomb

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    Hiroshima after the bomb.

    'Missile force commander Col. Alexi Sokolov said the latest drill was meant to send a message to the West, since both the US and Europe are within the missile’s range.'

    [​IMG]
    Nagasaki before and after.

    Russia Readies Nuclear Missile with 7500 mile range and 12 times the power of the bombs on Japan.

    "we may be seeing a genuine nuclear threat to the West is that the Biden administration is not only flooding Ukraine with weapons, which means we’re effectively at war with Russia but is also sending increasing numbers of military personnel."
     
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    Sure, we are just flooding the country with weapons, and have forces on the ground to help them use them. I'm sure that Russia is fully on board with such fine distinctions.
     
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    No, lasting peace was in Europe after Hitler and Germany was crashed. But it took lives of tens of millions of people. Most likely this could be avoided if Hitler would be stopped at the very beginning. But you propose to go the same road - let the dictator do what he wants, and write a bullshit here about pages of history unknown for others, while you yourself have nothing to say.
     
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    Kazakhstan, NATO territory in the Baltic, Poland and so one. And remember, they HATE United States. Where will be the line, when US should start to act?

    And what message will be send to China or Iran when they will see, that US just abandon its allies and do nothing to stop aggressor? Or you did not think about this?
     
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    There was US military presence in Ukraine? Spoiler - Russian fascist regime supporters do not have an answer to this question.
     
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    Yes, I'm unaware. Maybe instead of random link, you can specify, which units of US army were/are in Ukraine and are so frightening to Russia, that they should start a genocidal war? Ok, I know, you can't...


    If You want to compare with US actions in Cuba, that I remind You, that USSR had NUCLEAR WEAPONS in Cuba and US DID NOT start a war in Cuba.
     
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    You have a search bar do your own work if you don't like the link to several articles I supplied.

    A Congressional Debate is perfectly proper backing into a war with the most heavily nuclear armed nation in the world and who also has the multiple means of delivering them to our cities.
     
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    I was right, you just can't tell which units of US army were/are in Ukraine, and I have to look for non-existing US army units in Ukraine myself? How does it come? Or maybe Russia fascist regime supporters don't give a **** about US unit locations, they just lie to justify genocidal war?

    So some Congressional Debate was the reason, why Russia attack peaceful neighborhood country?
     
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