Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut: ‘Our troops are not being protected’

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    Simple truth and facts contradict his. Claiming that are NAZIS is just like claiming that all Russians are baby killers because some Russians have killed Ukrainian children as young as 2 days old.
     
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    Sorry mate .. the claim that US-NATO takes no part in or responsibility for this war is false delusion.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone knows the Azov Nazi's are "Neo Nazi's" -- not just Stone .. and just because you missed the memo and are wrong does not make Ad Hom fallacy a valid argument
     
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    Do you blame the ground that killed a person pushed out of a window? It's Putin who wanted NATO to expand, and get involved then. Why else would he do the one thing that guarantees that happens?
     
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    I did not say Stone was a Historian ? Just because depiction is based on historical facts doesn't mean what is presented is not factual . nor does something not being a documentary mean the content is not factual.


    Fallacy left right and center mate ??
     
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    It's not factual.

    Some of it is factual, but much of it is stuff he makes up.
     
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    Why are you pretending that I have done such a moronic thing .. making idiotic assertions does not change the fact that Biden shares resonsibility for ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

    The ground did not provide sophisticated military technology and other assistance to the Ukraine war effort .. how is it you could not figure this out ?
     
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    "Its not factual" - "Some of it is factual"

    You contradict yourself .. one sentence after the next mate - and are yammering utter nonsense .. as you havn't stated what "It" is.

    Nonsense on top of nonsense - What "It" are you referring to ?
     
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    "it" is anything Oliver Stone says.

    Including facts in a story doesn't make the story true.
     
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    So the weapons manufacturer is responsible in your world huh.
    How many NATO personnel casualties have occurred in this conflict? Just one more time for the class.
     
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    I did not make the claim that the weapons manufacturer is responsible . nor make the moronic accusation that someone else made that claim. You seem lost -- NATO casualties is not the topic so why are you pretending it is " just one more time for the class" ?

    Having trouble staying on track there mate .. why is it so difficult to comprehend that Biden-NATO provided military and other assistance to the conflict. What is it you are having trouble wraping brain around ?
     
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    dELETE
     
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    Holy Moly this is hopelessly lost.

    You said "Its not factual" - "Some of it is factual" which is ridiculous contradiction.

    Now you say "Anything Oliver Stone says is not Factual" "Some of what Oliver Stone says is Factual"

    Which is just as ridiculous of a contradiction. None of which supports any of your claims .. just a dance with Ad Hom fallacy

    What did Stone do that upset you .. that you didn't like .. and why do you engage in such ridiculous fallacious antics over it ?
     
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    Nothing he said upset me. I enjoy listening to him talk.

    You are the one who is upset. I'm sorry about that, i didn't mean to upset you.
     
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    All they are doing is playing the part of the weapons manufacturer as evidenced by your lack of ability to point to any personnel casualties. So if Biden is responsible in your opinion....You are blaming the weapons manufacturer.
     
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    Now what are you rambling about .. in wild denial of your previous antics.. You were all over Oliver Stone .. claiming him purveyor of falsehood in an Ad Hom Frenzy .. then you contradicted yourself .. and now can not figure out what you were initially upset about .. and so feel compelled to apologize to me and pretend that it was others who were doing what you were doing.
     
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    I've already clearly explained what I am talking about. You either choose to ignore it, or don't get it.

    Oliver Stone is an entertainer, not a reliable source of information.
     
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    No .. that is lost and confused stawman fallacy .. combined with non sequitur fallacy. It does not follow that because Biden shares responsibility in giving arms to Ukraine and prolonging the war ... that weapons manufacturers share responsibility for the deaths of those teenage lads. . There-in lies your logical fallacy.

    Your claim that NATO casualties having something to do with Biden's responsibility for Ukraine causualties a second area of illogical confustion.
     
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    You can criticize your logic all you want..it's yours we are going with.
    Somehow Bidens to blame for putin invading a sovereign nation, so that means you blame the arms supplier. Just as the left is trying to blame weapons manufactures for active shooter deaths.
     
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    No, a portion of “everyone” either assumes AZOV is a Nazi group or they have been brainwashed to think so. Others know that AZOV is not a NAZI but that fits there narrative. Azov like other far right groups do have Nazi sympathizers or some NAZIs. The creator of Azov was likely at least a Nazi sympathizer but he was removed from the leadership of the military AZOV group long ago and he heads a political organization that may have some unknown percentage of NAZIS or “ so NAZIS.

    What some on this board and their master in Moskva do is paint all Ukrainians as NAZIS. Any honest person with even moderate intelligence knows that Putin is absolutely wrong and do not do that.

    Which type are you Giff?
     
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    You sir have just expectorated an absolute falsehood.

    You know @$*&$%ing well that the Monster of Moskva started the war. To think or worse yet to say otherwise is absolute lunacy.
     
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    Russians are the only Nazis. Fact. Russia is killing civilians intentionally in violation of the Geneva and Hague conventions. Russia alone has been intentionally raping and murdering women and children. Russia alone has torture camps for civilians and specifically children. Russia alone deliberately targets civilian infrastructure in violation of both the Geneva and Hague conventions.

    Russia is the face of fascism and ending the Russian fascist state is THE noble goal of every civilized person in the world because it is objectively evil and an enemy of humanity going on wars of aggression and attempted conquest while trying to commit genocide against innocent civilians.
     
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    Well as the Ukrainians have already been slaughtering them without our tanks what hope do the Russkies have when the Ukrainians get this awesome firepower?
     
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    Ahahaha... Is that why Lavrov was met by an official delegation from the Indian government?
    In contrast, for example, from the delegation of Germany, which was met by the duty officer at the airport.

     
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    NATO began to expand to the borders of Russia.
     

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