Ex-Russian President Calls Nuclear Apocalypse 'Probable'

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bakhmut says what different .. Was a Ukrainian Sausage house that Meat Grinder.

    and don't tell me to look up the figures to support your claim .. What a joke. Where are these figures for US-UN casualties on the Ukraine side that you claimed .. or were you just making stuff up cause you thought it sounded good. .. and when folks doubted the made up nonsense you would send them on a wild goose chase.

    Where are these figures for Ukrainian Casualties you claimed were being reported by the US - UN.
     
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    Nothing you posted applies to an already defeated, nuclear armed nation.

    We have witnessed a victorious, nuclear armed nation use them before. We haven't witnessed what a nuclear armed nation does in defeat. Whether it's us or the Russians, the Biden team is curious to find out.
     
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    The US was not yet victorious when it nuked Nippon. In fact, they were dropped to spare the estimated million US casualties an invasion of the Home Islands would cost. Nippon still held extensive territory in the Pacific and in Asia.

    Your last sentence here is just stupid. Whichever side wins, the US is not going to be a defeated nation. Ukraine is not going to invade Russia. Since there's no existential threat, Putin will not launch.
     
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    We witnessed - US in Vietnam, USSR in Afghanistan, China in Vietnam.
     
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    None of which called for regime change as part of the objective of arming/fighting. None of which involved the defeat of a nation that considered itself in an existential fight.

    The West is fighting to collapse the Russian state. Everyone who supports this action is willing to put my family at risk for their emotions, because the moment they succeed against Russia, that moment will be a very dangerous moment for humanity. I think it takes a lot of nerve to take on a cause with that sort of potential global impact, and force all humans to eat the consequences if you are wrong. It's the same beef I have with Fauci and friends with their 20 year love affair with gain of function. I wouldn't be consistent if I didn't oppose this growing, callous mindset of the global consequences to one's, or a group's actions.
     
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    Hahahaahaha. You got jokes. That is the most hilarious post of this war thus far. Well trained soldiers getting beaten up by Ukraine. Bwahahahaha. Now I know for sure what you post is sent by the Kremlin as Russia has not shown Well Trained Soldiers often since the beginning of the war. Lately, these supposed well trained soldiers either flee or lose ground every day. And speaking of Meat Grinder, anyone can see that Putin sending thousands of Russian Civilian Conscripts to their deaths in Human Wave attacks is the opposite of using well trained soldiers.
     
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    How is the objective of removing Putin not an existential crisis to Putin? Or is the objective just to resist Putin for a while to make him see the error of his ways, in the meantime getting half a million people turned into hamburger?
     
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    Really depends if Russia truly cares about their own Russian people or if they are willing to sacrifice tens of millions of Russian lives. I mean, Russia does send their poorly trained civilian conscripts on Human Wave attacks, so it is obvious that the Kremlin doesn't care about Russians lives. They are all expendable to the Russian Mafia Elite. Because, if Russia sends Nukes, I bet more Russians die than anywhere else.
     
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    I'm going to have to start calling Vladdie the Mafioso, "Reek". He is reeking of weakness and desperation.
     
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    The objective is the same for every defender: hold on to your turf. If you can do that on a long enough timeline, the other problems will take care of themselves. Putin isn't forever. Either the Russians will depose him or he'll get old and die.
     
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    No one will need to invade Russia for the Russians to change their regime. They'll do it themselves. And nukes won't help Putin against an internal threat.
     
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    Where did You get, that Russia consider war in Ukraine as existential fight?

    West is not fighting at all, at this point Russia unsuccessfully try to defeat only Ukrainian army. And where you get all this? How does "collapse the Russian state" should look like in Your mind, and how West is trying to achieve it? By not lettig Putin's fascist regime destroy Ukrainian state and nation?
     
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    Where did you see that Mort - on Mulberry St ? This fairy tale being told by the Orc Cheer Team about our brave Ukrainian Teens slaying Golaith .. is fodder for the silly

    Mort -- rolling on the floor laughing and salivating -- calling out to the Kremlin - is not an argument for much other than some propaganda induced paranoia. The "Counter Offensive" has been a disaster .. an even worse casualty ratio than Bakhmut - often 10 dead Ukrainians for every Russian as this is the Russian Army .. not mercs made up of criminals and Islamist Jihadists. Poor Ukrainians can't even make it through the grey zone to reach the first line of Defense .. never mind "Break Through".

    And that my friend Mort --- is "The Rest of the Story" :)
     
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    So bad that Putin had to get rid of his Top General? Man, keep repeating Kremlin propaganda as the battlefield is showing different results. Prigozhin even confirmed what the rest of the world already knew that Bahkmut was a meat grinder for Russian losses. Now, Finland AND Ukraine will get to join NATO. Thus, you are great entertainment! Hahahahaha!
     
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    Yes Mort .. our Friend Piggy confirmed that the meat Grinder was producing a large amount of Ukrainian Sausage .. but running around giggling will not get Ukraine into NATO .. Tears of a Biden Clown and his Side kick comedian JV Team Leader is all we have in store for your entertainment Friend .. but have no fear .. join in on the "Orc Orc" cheer .. and maybe you gonna feel better about the whole affair :)
     
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    I'm being nice by assuming the objective of using US weapons to kill Russians is regime change, because otherwise, Biden's goal is to simply kill Russians as an emotional reaction, which is worse.
     
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    You must mean Biden mate whilst name-calling and crying out "Reek". He is reeking of weakness and desperation -
    Biden running out of artillery to send Ukraine .. so sending from our stockpile of old cluster bombs - violating international Law/norms - killing children and civilians because things are not going his way.

    Now you see what Reeks Friend ... That clown puppet Biden.
     
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    No, Biden goal is to throw Russians out of Ukraine and Your assumptions are totally wrong.
     
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    Prigozhin himself stated that he lost 20k trained Russians in Bahkmut. I can imagine how many less trained Russians also lost their lives in human wave attacks. You definitely have zero proof to back up any of your claims outside of Kremlin sponsored disinformation.
     
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    My post hit the mark so hard you are compelled to flailing against the man that is vanquishing Russia UNDER Mafioso Putin to the wood shed. Keep underestimating Dark Brandon at Russia's expense. Now friend off...:)
     
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    Russian soldiers are constantly complaining they have run out of mortars. Ukraine has yet to run out of mortars at any point of this war. If this war comes down to who has the most firepower, Russia will lose.
     
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    You're ignoring defense of Ukraine's territorial integrity. Any regime change will be done by the Russians themselves. They're already cracking around the edges.
     
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    Russia used a cluster bomb on a Ukrainian hospital on day 1 of this war. That IS a war crime. Using cluster bombs is not a war crime in itself. And neither Ukraine, the US nor Russia has signed the convention against cluster munitions. Quit pretending Russia has the moral high ground on this issue. It does not. It routinely uses cluster munitions against civilian populations.
     
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    Prove your claims about cluster bomb on day 1 .. routine use of cluster bombs on civilians in this war was not just made up on the spot nonsense as previous.
     
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    Prove your claim Mort .. specially the on the one who has the most firepower ..
    Tell us who has the most artillery/ and ammo so we can have a chuckle :)
     

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