Trump charged with trying to delete Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage in new indictment

Show us their convictions for colluding with the Russian GOVERNMENT to affect our 2020 election......

 

NARA has no authority to demand documents from Trump. Unauthorized location means a location not currently authorized by the POTUS, and their EO's and agency rules. For example, if the POTUS suddenly realized we were massively infiltrated by the spies of a particular country, he could unilaterally, on the spot, tighten classification security, and change the authorized locations, among other procedures.

What this means is the POTUS has full discretion to decide what the authorized location is at any given moment, to include his home, and to include the moment he carried them out of the WH, and that decision can only be challenged by the current POTUS, exercising the same authority (but that's not the case here because Biden has repeatedly said he has nothing to do with it).

 

Nothing in the indictment is evidence or proof.....it is a one sided presentation of allegations to a grand jury with no representation or cross examination of that presentation...

Either..... show us the evidence and proof Jack Smith has or you have nothing but allegations...

Unless you want to get off on the dossier that shows you are wrong and is a prime example.

 

Post of the month award....

And Judge Amy Jackson 2012 decided the presidents decide what is personal records.....
and anything Trump may have is a copy... this is a electronic world.... do you think Trump has the only copy and the NARA does not have an original? Exactly how would NARA know what he had from the start if they did not have a way to know what to request back? How does that apply to Trump for 1 year where it does not apply to a Vice President Joe Biden for 7 years?

NARA contacted former President Trump and told him what documents he had.... after 1 year..
Former Vice President contacted NARA after 7 years and told them he had them... that is after team Biden knew they had them not in Nov, but May. 6 months earlier.
So how did NARA know what Trump had but not know what Biden had?

Biden had his documents transported in private vehicles to 7 different location (we know of). One being an open garage.
Trump had his in a double locked room guarded by the Secret Service.... no one has commented that Mar-a-lago had a SCIF and if that is where the documents were.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer
ff to :45
Feb 14, 2017

 

@Izzy
Jason Chaffetz
These are computer generated copies.... Trump does not have any "originals"
They are photo copied paper... so the documents are on the government computers... so the National Archives already has these documents and always have had them...

Trump still has the same security clearance he had as president... guess who didn't VP Biden and Pence..... And how did Biden get highly classified documents out of a SCIF?

video here..
https://twitter.com/Imaconsumer/status/1667335152681230341

 

And they would have if Trumps croonies in the Senate and the House didnt protect his criminal actions.

 

Just because they are "one sided" doesn't mean they aren't evidence.

It means that the defense will have to show why it isn't evidence. What is stated in the indictment is a prima facie case that Trump is guilty. Without other facts that we are unaware of there is enough there to find Trump and Co. guilty of the crimes stated.

 

So what?

That makes absolutely no difference regarding the charge of 793(e)

 

I would kindly ask you to stop lying.

Judge Jackson DID NOT decide "the presidents decide what is personal records"

This has been repeated ad nauseum by the Trump defenders AND IT ISN'T TRUE.

The case (Judicial Watch v. NARA) says EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what the RWers are claiming. Judge Jackson very clearly states in her decision that the PRA defines what is a Presidential Record. The president has ZERO authority to declare something that the PRA defines as a Presidential Record a Personal Record. None. He can't do it.

What he CAN do is declare something defined as a Personal Record a Presidential Record. But it is a completely one way street. He can declare a Personal Record as Presidential but has ZERO authority to declare a Presidential Record as Personal.

Once he has declared something defined by the PRA as a Personal Record as a Personal Record, that's it. That decision is unreviewable and no one can rescind it.

But, once more to be VERY clear, the PRA defines what is a Presidential Record and a President has ZERO authority to declare it a Personal Record.

 

Trump makes legal claims about classified documents, experts push back: Fact check'
'He repeatedly mischaracterized the law after his court appearance, they said.'

June 15, 2023, 6:51 PM

snip:

'U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson dismissed the case, and Trump and his allies have taken to quoting different parts of her opinion in their defense.

The Presidential Records Act does contain an exception for personal records, according to Baron, including items such as "diaries, journals, and other personal notes that were never used in the transaction of government business."

"President Trump had the right to keep those types of records. But the argument being made by some that he had some kind of absolute authority while president to declare classified records or other official records about government business as his personal records is absurd in its face," he said. "It is also contrary to law. The decision by Judge Jackson cited prior precedent from the D.C. Circuit that stands for the opposite proposition."

That citation included in Jackson's opinion reads, in part, that the Presidential Records Act "does not bestow on the president the power to assert sweeping authority over whatever materials he chooses to designate as presidential records without any possibility of judicial review."


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...ied-documents-experts-push/story?id=100113660

 

Gosh I'm glad that the Trump supporters here are such experts on the law. I would encourage these experts to join the Trump defense team. That way, the trial can get an early date(perhaps next month ?) and due process can rapidly conclude and a verdict obtained.

Win-win all around.

 

Lol sure, I guess this case will be promptly thrown out then.
When it’s not, will you admit youre wrong or will it be a conspiracy?

 

Why is it that when you posted this basically same exact information a week or so ago, and I posted links that showed that it was bs, you ignored it and didn't answer, but then now you post it again?

 

Because the facts are against them so they have moved on to step #2

Step #1 When the facts are with you, argue the facts
Step #2 When the facts are against you baffle them with BS

 

The 45 page indictment is on in internet. Just read it.

Moreover, Smith, under the national spotlight, especially in an indictment of a US president, is not going to put anything in that indictment
that is not backed by solid evidence, and the reason is simple, the stakes are astronomical. It can be presumed. What we cannot presume is the jury verdict.,

 

How DARE does the Biden controlled and weaponized DOJ even DARE to pursue this politically motivated witch hunt during the presidential campaign ? Trump is the most innocent politician on the planet ! Just ask him.

 

Actually no it doesn't. Hence the Presidential records act.

“This Act stated any records generated during a Presidential administration documenting the constitutional, statutory or ceremonial duties of the Presidency are the property of the United States.”

 

I think you quoted him incorrectly.

He is “the mostest innocent politician on the planet”

 

And the most honestest. He’s “too honest”.

 

So... current indictments came from the Senate and House?

 

No it cannot be done that way. It takes three people, including POTUS to declassify TSSCI documents. Second, other than trump, no they have not. They have carted out personal documents that are defined under the Presidential Records Act, but not government documents. NARA, the moment the person no longer holds the office of the President, takes control of those documents. And that rumor by Trump and others have been debunked time and time and time again.

 

I don't see that happening on any scale, now that the consequences (by way of 1/6ers in prison) are well established.

THat is not the approach, attitude for those who administer justice. Justice is the best healing agent. For want of it, there will always be unrest. But, for it being administered, society, though it might have a temporal upward tick in stress levels, it will subside, heal faster, in my view.

I disagree. He's committed many crimes. and justice should take it's due course. You can't commit that many crimes and get away with it.

Yes, I know, Repubs might, if they win the election, go on a revenge tour, but, they'll need evidence, and there is none, against Joe Biden

 

Let’s assume for the moment that he DOES have evidence. Let’s assume he can prove the following:
1. The DOJ issued a subpoena to trump requiring trump to turn over all security videotapes fir Mar a Lago covering a certain period of time
2. Trump knew about the subpoena
3. After becoming aware of the subpoena, trump instructed employees to delete some (or all) of the video footage

If Smith can prove those things, would it concern you?

 

Where do you 2 get this stuff from?
To in depth for you to make up.
Must be from some trump conspiracy theory site?

 

No, that was what Trump said about Pence.

Think about that for a second.

Trump thinks that a politician can be "too honest". In other words, Trump believes that there is a point where being honest, as a politician, is detrimental.

Personally I don't think there is such a thing as a politician who is TOO honest.