Hamas has attacked Israel

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  1. rkhames

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    They call a Conservative that believes in issues that are not covered by MSM conspiracy theories. What do you call a liberal that does the same thing?

    WMDs in Iraq WAS found. John C Wilson was sent to Nigeria to verify that Yellow Cake Uranium was sent to Iraq back in 2002. His original report claimed that he found proof. But before the report was released Wilson's wife Valerie Plume was outed as a CIA operative my then-VP Dick Chaney. It is believed that Wilson changed his report to say that there was no proof of the sale. The proof that his report was changed came after the US invaded Iraq. The Yellow Cake Uranium was found. Of course, the Media claimed that the Uranium was not an actual WMD. The Uranium was loaded into led lined 55 gallon drums and shipped to Canada.

    The Kuwaiti Babies story came as the result of a 15 year old Iraqi girl that gave false testimony to the Human Rights Caucus of the Congress. But if you think that her false testimony negates the reasoning to force Iraq out of Kuwait, you are wrong. First of all, we were invited there by the Saudi's who was worried about the fact that Iraqi forces had twice infiltrated the Saudi border. Second, (I know this is almost cliche) During the 70's OPEC had put a ban on selling oil to the US. Iraq worked out a treaty with the US to not only violate the OPEC ban but sell oil to the US are a reduced cost. But as the war with Iran was heating up, they needed more money. So, they began raising oil prices. By then the OPEC embargo had been lifted. As Iraq's prices became too high, Kuwait stepped in with lower cost oil. In Saddam's opinion, that was a stab in the back. So, he invaded Kuwait. While the throwing babies out of incubators is not true, there were atrocities committed by the Iraqis. Women gang raped, wealth stolen and transported back into Iraq, they even ate the animals in the Kuwaiti Zoo. Before you claim that all this is hearsay, let me tell you that I was there. I saw the aftermath of these atrocities first hand. Iraq had no intention of holding on to Kuwait. If they had been, they would have worked to convince the citizens that they were the good guys liberating them from a tyrannical regime. They would not have waged a campaign of rape and plunder.

    Assad gassing his own people, I do not know this first hand, but I can see the reasoning behind it. Assad was in a war against terrorists. Frankly, we had no justifiable reason for getting involved. But we were supporting the rebel militias and Russia was supporting Assad's forces. Assad needed to drive a wedge between the rebel militias and the US. The US has a policy that they will not support anyone that uses WMDs. So, gassing a group loyal to Assad and blaming it on the rebels is a good way to drive that wedge. If you think about it, it did work. Shortly after that attack, the US pulled most of their forces out of Syria.

    Gaddafi? Again, I have no first hand knowledge. But given that Gaddafi was addicted to mind altering drugs, it does seem plausible. Seeing how it was Susan Rice that pushed the story, I would question the validity of the story.

    Gulf of Tonkin incident has been researched, it has been proven that half of it did happen. The USS Maddox was conducting signal operations off the cost of Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964, three torpedo boats closed in on the US vessel. The Maddox sent a warning shot, and the three vessels attacked with torpedoes and machine gun fire. The Maddox received some damage but was not knocked out of commission. All three of the North Vietnam vessels were damaged to the point that they had to disengage. The next day the USS Turner Joy joined the Maddox and resumed the signal operations. On August 4th, the US ships fired on radar returns that were preceded by signal intercepts. The ship commanders believed that these were proof that an attack was imminent. The attack never came. And the Commander later said he had doubt of the original interpretations of the event. But that did not stop President Johnson from using the original interpretation to get congress to approve the Gulf of Tonkin Act to authorize him to help the South Vietnamese. I have read the Sec of Defense Robert Mcnamara's book In Retrospect. I have also read some of the After Action reports from the Vietnam War. I am convinced that Johnson was bound and determined to get the US into War with Vietnam, and McNamara was willing to manipulate information to bring that about.
     
  2. Steve N

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    What did the decapitated babies do to the Palestinian population?
     
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    They never found any weapons. It's like finding pipes in a pile and claiming there was an intention to make pipe bombs. Also the uranium as you said was shipped to Canada and not to Iraq making the entire invasion a farce. A lie that killed thousands of Americans and millions of Iraqis.

    America, World Police. We have to be everywhere for every conflict with our men on the ground getting blasted. Why aren't we Yemen to defend them? How about Ukraine? Where are the thousands of American soldiers defending Ukraine from the 'vile' Russians invading? People die all over the world from conflicts but, we needed to go in and drum up support for it through a lie. Also the 15yr old Iraqi girl was the daughter of the Ambassdor and the Senator during the hearing would've obviously have met the family. So he probably knew it was all lie as well and had a coached liar before congress. Another conflict involving the deaths of thousands over a lie.

    The "Rebels" were Israeli backed terrorist groups and ISIS another Israeli backed terrorist group. The rebels we were arming were just western/Israeli backed factions looking to overthrow Assad. The gas attacks later proved to be false and the Israeli government pressured the USA to invade. Israel bombed Syria and were promised the Americans would join them but, Trump pulled out of that deal.

    I don't trust any of the sources involved with it. It was far too coordinated just as he was attempting to go onto the gold standard. What happened afterwards was the endless flow of Africans into Europe through the use of Israeli NGOs bringing them across.

    A half truth is a still a lie. A lie that cost the lives of thousands of Americans and millions of Vietnamese. All for what? None of the people who lied just as they did during any of the false flags were arrested and shot for treason. It was an acceptable lie to the American people to drum up support to send them into a meat grinder.

    The American government no longer exists for the original founders or the citizens of this nation but, rather serves the interests of Zionists, Social Marxists, and the Military Industrial Complex.
     
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    Yes Jews have been there since biblical times, NOT THE WHITE JEWISH EUROPEANS whose heritage is northern Europe, not Africa.

    Please don't use the Balfour declaration with me. Do you really want to go there?

    I'm fully aware of scripture, I'm orthodox Christian.
     
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    ?

    Is this a joke?...
    Ok "I don't know, what did the headless baby do to Palestinians?"

    If this is some kind of sick punchline you're going to add, I'm not interested in making jokes about a terrible war
     
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    ???? Israel removed all troops and Jewish residents from Gaza. Handed control to the Arabs.
     
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    And placed Gaza under the siege of a strict blockade-- by land, sea, and air-- for well over a decade.

    DUH!
     
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    Boeing accelerates delivery of 1K smart bombs to Israel



    Bye, bye Gaza.....
     
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    Well, c'mon on man, you did say in your post, "It has to do with Israel taking over territory that belongs to the Palestinians." If you weren't questioning the legitimacy of the State of Israel as acknowledged by the UN back in 1947, then what were you making a statement about...?

    People from several different nations, including Israel, have been trying to create a Palestinian country/nation for decades which can be prosperous and live in peach with its neighbors. But, throughout post-WWII history, one violent, radical Muslim faction after another rises up to destroy all hope of that and all hopes for peaceful coexistence. Whose fault is that?
     
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    You're right, and the last time I reviewed the situation, neither Egypt nor Jordan wants anything to do with "Palestinians". To other Arabs, they are dangerous pariahs who have 'bitten every hand' that tried to help them (Jordan almost learned this the HARD way back in the day).
     
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    You forget that although Israel was a Roman vassal-state, it had its own local government, and its own king. King Herod, for instance, was acknowledged as being "the King of the Jews" by no less than the Roman Senate!

    If you want to quibble about whether there should even be an "Israel" or not, then -- really -- take it up with the UN.
     
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    Attempted blockade of weapons. International finance and aid pours into Gaza.
     
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    Hmmmmm, who do I believe, NBC or a statement from the FBI?


     
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    So you've been saying that Israel has oppressed Palestinians as a matter of policy which in turn caused savages to kill babies. What policy decisions were those babies involved with?

    Your anti white, anti cop and pro Hamas attitude on this board is well known.
     
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    IDF Elite Unit Rescues Around 250 Hostages Alive

     
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    From the cesspool of our taxpayer supported Universities:

    '“National liberation is near— glory to our resistance, to our martyrs, and to our steadfast people,” the letter continues.'

    'SJP’s leaders go on to claim that: “settlers are not ‘civilians,’” that “responsibility for every single death falls solely on the zionist entity,” and that the terrorism Israel has faced is “legitimate, and all of it is necessary.”'

    They claim that the slaughter of innocents, the mass rape the women, burning captives alives, and the slaughter and decapitation of babies is all 'necessary'.

    Dems Silent as House Republicans Urge Education Department To Protect Jews on Campus
     
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    What's the point of this video and the rescue hostage claim?
    Where are the released 250 hostages?
    Not a one as far as I can see,
     
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    Your anti black, anti humanity, anti Muslim and pro indiscriminate bombing attitude on this board is well known
     
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    What don't you get?
    The IDF and Hamas don't give 2 shits about babies,children and teens.


    West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
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    https://www.hrw.org › news › 2023/08/28 › west-ban...

    Aug 28, 2023 — Israeli forces had killed at least 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank as of August 22. Human Rights Watch investigated four fatal ...


    2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the ...
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    ReliefWeb
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    Sep 18, 2023 — RAMALLAH, 18 Sept 2023 - At least 38 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank so far in 2023, ...
     
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    The blithering idiot musta been told he just lost big $$$ and lotsa votes and he's dumb enough to think he can just walk it all back.
    His staffers are as stupid as he is.


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