7 October testimonies strike major blow to Israeli narrative

Sad but true....so far but when Christ returns.... Can't help but think you believe in that mantra of might is right.

 

It does show the motivations of Israel supporters. They've given up trying to justify or defend the actions of Israel. They've resorted to "might proves right". They believe Israel is right because they are more powerful and have bigger better bombs. This is an evil vicious belief that all the die-hard Israel-supporters believe wholeheartedly.

 

They only support Israel because it's greasing their (USA) military industry. They don't gaf about Jews unlike me, praise Yah.

 

I've always said this, imagine if Israelis were black jews, do you honestly believe the same ppl would be supporting Israel like they do?

Think about that, because black Jews are very real, they're just a despised minority in Israel. How many black Jews in the Knesset?

 

Please don't derail the conversation with racial politics.

 

I am the owner of this thread. He is not derailing it. If you don't like my thread, post somewhere else.

His post continues the theme of how Israel's narrative about itself is false.

 

I believe the Old Testament understood when it was necessary to eliminate a problem to insure some degree of safety and peace in life. With Hamas so entrenched in Gaza there is no possibility for either for Israel. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary.

 

Jesus, is dead.

He is never coming back. Please don't bring silly comic book fantasy into this discussion.

 

Only among barbarians.

 

You consider murdering thousands of children to be necessary . . . that's sad.

In that case, you should have no reason to condemn Hamas even if you believe Israeli fairy tales.

Or, more likely, you're another believer of might proves right.

Do you recommend keeping peace with your neighbors by occasionally shooting one of them dead in cold blood? Why do you think that wouldn't work? Even if you killed one of the leaders?

You keep peace with your neighbors by not being mean to them, treating them with respect, not lording over them, etc.

Hamas has nothing to do with Israel not having peace.

 

Do you believe Moses and the God of Abraham is a silly comic book fantasy?

 

Yes, absolutely nonsense stupidity.

 

Ehud Barak has stated that the tunnels under that hospital were built by Israel.

That's why they knew they existed.

So, naturally Israel decided to slaughter those in and around the hospital!

Now they have bombed the hospital called the Indonesian hospital farther north.

And, they have bombed hospitals in the south, where Israel told people to run toward.

The Israeli slaughter fest has to stop. They aren't going to actually manage to slaughter the 2,000,000 Gazans.

 

Don't repeat this. Israel will think it's a challenge and actually try to do it.

 

I think we can make some guesses.

Israel has chosen to wage war against Gaza continuously for DECADES.

How could anyone possibly guess that their war will stop now, when it claims the right to slaughter civilians at will??

And, one thing is for SURE. They are not ever going to allow the people of Gaza to have representation in a civil government.

They don't do that in West Bank, where they defend settlers who shoot Palestinians.

Their solution has been to rule with Israeli military law in which Palestinians have ZERO representation and no standing in courts of law.

THAT is the model they have chosen. I don't see any justification for thinking that will change.

 

The only question here is who's babies get killed, Israel's or Palestine's and who do you mourn. This was always going to be an issue when Hamas staged their attack and it was always going to be Israel under fire from world opinion. What Israel is doing is very visible but Hamas didn't have reporters with cameras going with their raiders.

Hamas has everything to do with Israel not having peace.

 

Hamas has everything to do with GAZA not having peace.

Our own founding documents explain that.

NO humans are going to willingly live as noncombatants through decades of war by their neighbor.

 

Hamas didn't kill any Israeli babies. Especially not hundreds of them. I really doubt even ten. But so far, the list is zero.

No, Israel was murdering children before October 7.

Hamas welcomes reporters. Israel murders reporters. So, what Israel is doing is far less visible than what Hamas is doing.
People just want to believe the lie.

Prior to 1988, Israel was at peace with all of its neighbors?

Do you recommend keeping peace with your neighbors by occasionally shooting one of them dead in cold blood? Why do you think that wouldn't work? Even if you killed one of the leaders?

 

Don't you mean Israel has everything to do with Gaza not having peace?

 

This is impossible to discuss with you, we aren't living in the same world.

 

Well maybe when this current round is over they will be tired of killing each other and stop.

 

That's one way of stating you've lost the debate. I back what I say with sources.

Prior to 1988, Israel was at peace with all of its neighbors?

Do you recommend keeping peace with your neighbors by occasionally shooting one of them dead in cold blood? Why do you think that wouldn't work? Even if you killed one of the leaders?

 

OMG - I shouldn't have stated it that way with no explanation.

The point is that Israel established Hamas in Gaza. Recently when Hamas wanted to concede to the unity government of President Abbas, Netanyahu worked hard to block that, denying representation even when Hamas saw their direction as being unlikely to succeed.

When Israel denies legitimate fishing rights to a starving population, cuts off travel, disallows exports, severely restricts imports - this is defined internationally as WAR. This coincides with US definitions as well as those of the UN.

Nobody can expect Gaza to live under the war waged for decades by Israel without fighting back, even if its means of fighting is so seriously limited.

 

This is only one individual flareup.

None of these have resulted in progress of any kind, as Israel is far too powerful in military and political support to allow such moves to result in positive movement.

Let's remember that the USA donates dollars, military material for use against Palestinians, and political cover by vetoes in the UN and threats against others who make efforts to help.

Expecting progress toward peace in this case is absurd, unless the USA finally decides that OUR direction has been a significant part of the problem.

 

There have been 8 black Jewish people in the Knesset. They make up about 2% of Israel so that is fair representation over the years.