Trump barred from being President of Colorado.

There is no evidence to suggest that mail-in voting increases the risk of voter fraud. In fact, recent research has found that mail voting increases participation by a few percentage points, and does not meaningfully benefit one party over the other. While mail voting does introduce new risks, such as the possibility of fraudulent voting or tampering with ballots, several anti-fraud protections are built into the process. Those who abuse mail ballots can be charged with election fraud and face fines or prison time.

https://news.uchicago.edu/story/does-voting-mail-increase-risk-voter-fraud
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/30/voting-by-mail-2022-midterm-elections
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud/
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

At issue is what Trump has alleged, that 'the only way Democrats could win is if they rig the election', which would entail a massive conspiracy, organized months in advance, hiring and getting volunteers to operate across at least a dozen key states,. under threat of going to jail without any immediate financial gain, noting that the many different voting systems involved are different, the premise is preposterous on it's face, and where are the whistleblowers?, This idea, that Democrats engaged in a conspiracy to meddle in the internal voting apparatus, as Trump claims is beyond the pale absurd, and well nigh impossible. None of your comments prove this, nor do they come close to it.

Your piling on rants are noted, but irrelevant to the subject under debate.

What do we have here? A spate of right wing echo chamber conspiracy theories which you are lapping up without any consideration and investigation into the truth of it all? All of it has been debunked.

I'm not going to trust the results of a disingenuous right wing poll, not by a long shot. The facts surrounding Joe and his son have been distorted beyond all ethical considerations, and it's a mountain of lies.

Not one stitch of evidence proves that claim. the only evidence republicans have produced reveal localized irregularities, COMMON TO ALL ELECTIONS.

Oh brother, the depth of delusion here is mind-blogging, not to mention the stench of self-righteous indignation.

Republicans engaged in a massive effort to exact undue influence on the outcome of the 2020 and the 2016 election. Most elections have some degree of parties trying to exact undue influence of some kind, and this kind of thing is as old as elections itself. However,. no presidential candidate in history engaged in what Trump did regarding the 2020 election, acts which constitute an 'insurrection against the US constitution' which has resulted in some 45 felony counts against him.

Moving on,

But this isn't what Trump is alleging. Trump is alleging that Democrats stole the election via internal illegal methods. As stated above, the premise is preposterous.

The logistical nightmare required for one party to tamper with the national internal voting apparatus, by it's extremely decentralized design, requiring hiring of operatives and installed in place in at least a dozen key states, months in advance, keeping everyone under the radar, think about it, it is well nigh impossible task, which precludes any possibility of a party rigging the election internally. To accomplish it, it would require months of advance planning, the recruitment of both republicans and democrats (because each election district has both working there, many volunteering ) to cooperate in a vast conspiracy to rig the election for a DEMOCRAT. And, to do that, we would expect that they would be able to do it clandestinely, that the observers,both right and left, would be part of the conspiracy, and no one would leak, all with the threat of being caught and being sent to prison. And what is their gain? Not money. Why would anyone participate in an impossible scheme where they would surely get caught? That the beauty of the AMerican system, it's so big, each state with different systems, no one knows for sure ahead of time which of the few states will wind up being the swing states ( out of a dozen or more potential swing states, which is why they will need operatives in all of them, they don't know which ones in advance will be the actual swing states), it is absurd, The more we scrutinize what would have to occur in order for a massive rigging to occur, the more absurd the idea becomes

And, you are ignoring the documented 'undue influence' by the right as reported on by two well put together films and i believe they are free on Amazon Prime.

"Rigged, The Republican voter suppression playbook'
https://www.amazon.com/Rigged-Suppression-Playbook-Jeffrey-Wright/dp/B07P76KK1S

And "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy', which is the story of how Trump and Kris Kobach, partnering with 29 red states, used a program called 'interstate crosscheck' to purge some 1.1 million minorities from the voter registration rolls.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Democracy-Money-Can-Buy/dp/B01LYHH62Y/ref=sr_1_1

If you have an ounce of objectivity, those films are available on Amazon Prime, and watch them, they are fully documented, which reveals that the true election stealers are not Democrats, they are republicans and the head honcho of that crime ring is Donald J Trump.

 

Absurd claims:

Silence dissent ... There is no one trying to shut you up, or shut up the jerk you keep following.

Disarm the public ... Aside from being the wish of some liberals, it isn't anything they're pushing except in states they control. This is how gun rights changed...



... because they were won, state by state. There has been no move to do anything significant at the federal level.

"Control the economy?" ... Meaning what? We want government to properly manage the economy. Do I think they are? No.

"Create animosity amongst sectors of the population" ... The public, especially younger voters, give them better grades for how they deal with these matters.

 

Irrelevant to the point.

 

What the HELL does Smith have to do with the Colorado Supreme Court case?

Are you ok? Did you just start Christmas celebrations a bit too early?

 

NOPE. It quite clearly states "engaged" in insurrection. 'march peacefully to the Capitol so your voices can be heard' doesnt even meet the standards of incitement, let alone engagement.

 

Especially not because his suggestions and recommendations was to "march peacefully to the Capitol so your voices can be heard"

 

You're wanting to sell the Ukrainians out for 0.0001% of our GDP?

 

And who knew how to build rail roads and dams?

Not the Chinese. Anyone can be brute labor. It was the White man who knew how to direct that labor.

 

Irrelevant to reality. By the way sotus just punted jacks appeal.

 

He appears to be guilty of several crimes. There is a lot of evidence in the Georgia case.

 

Just because its not a criminal trial, doesn't mean its not a trial. Because it is. And guess what... A judge is even at the head of it.

 

That's not true. Because he is being barred for engaging in insurrection. Which is a crime.

 

This is double jeopardy as Trump was acquitted in Congress in 2021.

 

Only for people who don't know what "double jeopardy" means.

 

Civil trials are trials. Criminal trials are trials. But your average high schooler understand that it isn't "double jeopardy" to be tried for the same action in both.

 

Have you once seen me say that the life liberty and property clause of the 5th Amendment is what is being violated here? You haven't. Because that is not the Right being violated with this ruling. Here, I'll quote the relevant section for you, the section which applies for both Criminal actions AND Administrative actions: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,".

People have a Right to not be held accountable for any crime "unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury". By barring him from ballots, because he "engaged in insurrection" without a "presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" you are holding him accountable for something that IS considered a crime. No where in the entire US is Trump being presented or under a grand jury indictment for insurrection. By holding him accountable for what IS considered a crime, his 5th Amendment Right under the first clause IS being violated.

 

Where has double jeopardy been mentioned? Oh wait, it hasn't.

 

Yes. It has. Read a couple of posts up.

 

Did I talk about it? No.

 

A "Muslim approach" when I wrote: "Because it's [MAGA] a stupid slogan and an even dumber idea. The United States, for any faults, is not only the greatest country in the history of the world, but the hope of mankind who want to be free?"

You're boy is a dud.

 

How contemptuously intolerant of you. But you're wrong, we've been the beneficiary of great minds from ALL over the world.

 

Um ya. And the MAGA thing is hardly just a Trump thing, I like it for its merit alone. Then again I'm not a America hater either..

 

So we should just rule on what appears to you?

 

makes no sense.

 

An indictment is not a conviction, no jury, no defense, no trial, ....sorry.