Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that do

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  1. Condor060

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    Oh, the continuing fake claims of the uneducated lefty land covering up for lefty presidential cowardice.
    There was never any surrender to anyone.
    Another fake lefty claim out of desperation to cover for lefty presidential cowardice.

    So lets begin the education process.

    Trump negotiated a way to get out of Afghanistan in 14 months and, in exchange, the Taliban agreed to stop attacking U.S. service members.
    But you pretend that never happened as directed by the lefty media commands.

    Trump negotiated the release of all Afghan prisoners
    But you pretend that never happened as directed by the lefty media commands.

    Trump evacuated over 30,000 US troops without a shot being fired
    But you pretend that never happened as directed by the lefty media commands.

    Trump evacuated 3 US Military bases and equipment without a shot being fired
    But you pretend that never happened as directed by the lefty media commands.

    All Biden had to do was evacuate the left over 2500 troops and one base.
    And he couldn't even do that.
    Bidens cowardice was so bad he was held in contempt by Parliament. The first time any president had been faced with such.
     
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    Fake argument. I've never denied he did that. Please stop making **** up and stick to facts.

    Meanwhile, my claim is objectively true. I'm sorry the facts hurt Trump supporter feelings.

    I never pretended he didn't. Trump also negotiated the release of thousands of Taliban prisoners . . . including those who later overthrew the government. But you can't think about that, can you?

    Again, I never denied he did this, though it really wasn't an "evacuation."

    Your dear leader publicly decreed that his plan would involve Afghanistan falling to the Taliban and that there was nothing Biden could do to stop his plan.
     
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    Maybe because they die in your wars.

    When was the last time the US deployed troops into a war that wasn't primarily a US operation to support a NATO ally? I can think of examples of NATO members deploying tens of thousands of troops to American-run wars. I suspect most MAGA supporters dopn't even know that happened, much less care.

    The disrespect for the sacrifices of Ameica's allies is as disgraceful as it is predictable. We die in your wars, you pretend we don't exist.
     
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    It has already been disputed.

    Why would anyone try to justify betrayal?

    And yet it's true.
     
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    Scare mongering to make them pay up, it is about time some tried a lot harder.
     
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    Well I tell you what bro. Go ask China or Russia for protection or pay for it yourself. Then you won't have to die in our wars will you? Thats what happens when you become someone's vassal. You can't protect yourself so you ask them for protection. But protection ain't free.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Based on the numbers they are spending more, so this is just plain stupid.
     
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    It has, By who? Not you, or you can show us, right?
    Where did you dispute Trump put a carrier fleet on the coast of NK,
    Where did you dispute Trump flew missions with bombers down its coast,
    Where did you dispute Trump told Kim if you launch we will light up your country.
    Where did you dispute Kim never launched another long range ballistic missile
    Where did you dispute we never paid him anything,

    Oh thats right, you stated
    Thats what you thought disputing those claims meant.
    Got it. lol
    The left always lefties because its all they ever have
     
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    So now you never made this fake claim?
    Certainly you can provide this surrender agreement or were you just regurgitating propaganda again?

    Then provide the surrender agreement
    I'll wait.

    Nope, everyone knows who was released.
    I would trade 5000 Taliban prisoners for the safety of 30,000 American troops every day.
    I guess you are against that because for you its more important to try and take digs at Trump than it is to tell the entire truth safeguarding American troops.
    Yeah, we get it

    Ya think. Did you just figure that out because everyone on the planet knew that up front
    And don't try and confuse Trump with your lack of education on Afghanistan.
    He isn't my dear leader.
    My claims are not supporting Trump.
    They are educating YOU for your fake accusations so you can suck up to the dementia coward running this country.

    Nobody asked Biden to do anything but evacuate 2500 troops and one base by May which was 5 months and he couldn't even do that.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Can you reference that again? I hate doing other people's homework.
     
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    The sad reality is that both the Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. Democrats on a few distinct occasions, had every opportunity to change the tax code with control of both houses and the presidency. They didn't... not because they couldn't, but because their lobby base told them not to. Even when they happen to increase taxes... There are ample tax loop holes to lesson the burden (Carter tax policy is a prime example). Any tax increases are mere faux increases, as there is no teeth behind those increases. Least not forget, politicians do not write tax code... Lobbyist do. Same reason Obama took Single payer off the table. The Hospital and Insurance lobby told him not too... Now medical cost are at an all time high.

    As a side note... The Trump's era SALT cap was an actual, and empirical tax increase to the rich. Another item that Democrats have been trying to remove.

    Regarding pseudo-monopolies.. shutting down all the mom and pops and small entrepreneurs, but allowing for all the major box stores to remain opens was MAXIMIZING the creation of monopolies. That wasn't a federal policy, but it was a liberal policy with progressive liberal states closing down, in some cases, nearly a year... all the while some conservative states closed for mere weeks, allowing many business to survive and to compete against those mega box stores.
     
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    Statements like that from Trump will probably cause all NATO countries to quickly ramp up their defense spending.
    Other than that focusing attention on his comments will probably only serve to expand Trump's base of support from the expanding, and IMO wrong headed, isolationist faction in the US.
    I know -- as usual -- It's just not fair.
     
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    I have no clue how you assigned unfettered free market macro ideas and policies to the left but I do agree that Milton Friedman was a hell of an advocate that shaped much of what we suffer from today and people from both sides ate it up.
     
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    Other peoples homework? What are you suggesting? I already posted the article and the quote in the OP

    it reads as follows

    Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”


    “No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”
     
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    that was not my question

    you are so quick to say "let's get it on" and I ask you if you are willing to let your sons and daughters be the first to go; the first on the front line? To be a "fire team" clearing houses that have bad guys lurking inside.

    the hubris quickly disappears when it's your own children spilling blood or worse. All the while able bodied 20 somethings in NATO countries sip their lattes at cafes and talk about their superior values over Americans.

    As for what sacrifices my family has made for the armed services and this nation; you have no clue, so spare me your arrogance.
     
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    We aren't sending any soldiers. Nor are we likely to unless Russia invades a NATO country, which you say you'd just sit back and let happen. You don't seem to understand the lesson we learned back in WWII: that we have a vested interest in containing fascist spread like this. This is a lesson that your family made sacrifices for. Please learn to respect it.
     
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    [/QUOTE]Wait . . . are you seriously claiming you never knew about Trump's surrender agreement? Really? If you want to admit this is your first time learning about it, then sure, I can help catch you up on why your arguments are worth less than dog ****. Seriously? You actually didn't know about this? Dude, he literally had top staff resign over this.
     
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    DFT supporting tough guys making absurd justifications for Commander-In-Chief-Bone-Spurs, Putin Helsinki ********er, please....

    Tough guy DJT, what a joke.

    Dude puts out a fake WWE piece of schtick and these rubes are all like, " Ruff, ruff, that's our man!"

    That oligarch real estate investment is paying off in spades for Putin & his gang.

    F'g tools.

    Of course I'm referring to public figures, certainly not any of our fellow right honorable PF members....
     
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    Then provide the surrender agreement
    I'll wait.
    GUARANTEED you're all talk and can't provide it
    This is the 3rd time I have asked for it
     
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    Back on topic:

    'Treasonous': Former NATO supreme allied commander blasts Trump's NATO remarks


    Retired General Wesley Clark, CNN's chief international anchor Christiane Amanpour and retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman gave their reactions to former President Donald Trump's assertion that he would let Russia do "whatever the hell they want" to NATO countries that don't meet spending guidelines.​
     
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    I'm not a fan of NATO and I think it's just welfare that I really think it should be ended as far as the money changing hands.
     
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    Its amazing how fake the left has become.
    And how cowardly these people really are.

    This wasn't a warning to NATO allies that he's going to let Russia do "whatever the hell they want." It was a story about how he got NATO nations to pay their commitments while he was president.

    But the cowardly leftist in DC do what they always do. Take information out of context for their fake narratives. And their followers chirp on command to regurgitate what they are commanded too.

    While they elect people (not leaders) to pay off terrorist like Clinton, Obama, and Biden, they get us into wars and then coware in the face of our enemies.
    Just like cowardly Biden claiming he isn't leaving Afghanistan until all Americans are out.
    Then 3 days after the Taliban threatens cowardly Biden, he runs with his tail between his legs and abandons Americans and billions in military equipment to terrorist.

    Which is why they all get their hackles up when someone with guts fights back. They don't have the spine for it.
     
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    That's simply not true. Trump was talking about what he would do, hypothetical future tense, not what he did in the past tense. He has sent a clear signal that the US's NATO allies can't count on the US to honor Article 5 if he is president and they are attacked. Simple as that.
     
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    Who are you talking about? No one in NATO owes the United States or that moron Trump money.

    It is NOT a protection racket.
     
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    That being the case why is the US in it?
     

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