If Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages....

Land for peace didn't work out.

 

BULL! The greatest justification for dropping the first atomic bomb was that it was necessary to drop the second.

 

No, it was to prove to the USSR that we had multiple nuclear weapons, and that there was more where that came from. Japan would have surrendered anyway without it. They were collapsing like a house of cards at that point.

 

It was when the Russians got involved that the Japanese began to surrender. Japan was more concerned about the Russians than Americans.

 

Should I just assume you’re fine with ethnic cleansing then? If you, that’s fine, I won’t bother arguing that point.

Do you suppose clean drinking water and food could be finite resources? Can you point to where Israel is allowing sufficient amounts of aid into Gaza for the millions Palestinians they’ve corralled into the south?

 

Should I assume you don’t know the difference between ethnic cleansing and temporary migration to safety?

There’s a war going on in case you haven’t noticed and there’s not much room to go around so I’m not sure how you can say “they should all stay where they are” and not be quite comfortable with any or all of them being killed in the fighting or via other means like starvation and disease. Why do you want israel to succeed in its genocide??

In any case When the Palestinians are kicked out of Gaza and forced to live elsewhere en masse as permanent policy even after the war is over you can claim ethnic cleansing. Not before.

 

You obviously know little about how Japan was preparing for an invasion. My dad was on the invasion planning cell. They expected three million dead, both American and Japanese. To avoid that they used the bomb.

 

You should absolutely assume that. Tell me what both are and how they’re different, please.

I can’t call what Israel is doing ethnic cleansing until they’re done doing it? What part of Israel’s history suggests to you that they’ll cede territory once seized?

Do you read what you post?

 

Japan almost didn't surrender after two atomic bombs. The bombs plus the Russia offensive on August 8, 1945 was just enough.

 

Has Netanyahu or others within his regime announced that Gazans who leave Gaza will be welcomed back, and that Israel will remove and punish any Israeli settlers into Gaza?

We do know there are some Israeli would be settlers planning to do so. Have they been told a firm no?

 

I think Israel would allow settlers to steal Palestinian land? I can’t imagine such a thing…

 

Thank goodness we had it when it was needed.

 

already did. The difference is inherent in the definition of my chosen words. Do you not know what “temporary” means?

Nobody ethnic cleanses an area with the intention of bringing back the population later once it’s safe to do so. Hence why it’s not ethnic cleansing. It’s hilarious you didn’t know that!

You must think evacuating a city because of a hurricane must be ethnic cleansing! LOL.

nope, it’s just getting people out of harms way. Sorry if you think doing so is not only ethnic cleansing but that’s it’s preferable they stay there and die. Wow that’s barbaric.

hellloooooo earth to you: Israel already ceded territory multiple times throughout its wars since it was established. Including the Sinai peninsula, including Gaza itself.

wow you don’t know definitions or history! Maybe before starting here, you should start with square one. Need a map how to get there?

 

You require assurances to return in order to support Palestinian evacuations from a war that is killing them?

wow, just how badly do you want them to stay and die?

 

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I didn't write that they should not leave.
I asked some questions to help determine if this is ethnic cleansing.
Without such assurances, it sure appears to be.

 

Hamas would kill the hostages before they would release them. The fools and pawns who demonstrate in this country on behalf of Hamas have no idea that they are the modern acolytes to Adolph Hitler.

 

Usually when officials evacuate a city for the safety of the citizenry they don’t also bomb the places they force them to go. It’s fine if you don’t care that ethnic cleansing is occurring. You don’t have to twist yourself into knots trying make excuses for Israel’s genocidal ambitions. Just say you don’t care and move on.

I’m also sure Isreal hasn’t been running settler projects because they want snatch up land. That’s probably just a fun game they’re playing, right?

 

I like how you just accept Israel conducting itself in a way that slaughters civilians as a given at this point. No reason for Israel to stop the indiscriminate bombing. The civilians just need to get the hell out of the way.

 

Bullshit.

I heard far left, pro communist, Soviet Union apologist students preaching this crap back in the late 1960’s. The Japanese Government was prepared to fight to the last man on their home country. Many generations can thank Truman for dropping the bomb which saved their grandfather’s and great grandfather’s lives.

Russia, in the meantime, was looking for a big land grab in Asia, which they got in a much smaller way thanks to the bomb.

 

So do you want them to leave and have it be ethnic cleansing to you or do you want them to stay and be bombed?

 

usually military soldiers don’t dress like civilians and embed themselves into the population for cover. If Israel was bombing civilians with intent to kill them all they’d all be dead. Instead, only .5% of the population has been killed. Not much of a genocide. Indeed it will take 50 years to complete—hilariously inefficient—hence the point—They’re bombing with intent to kill Hamas, regardless where they hide. Not perfect, some civilians die in the process, but remarkably few for the type of brutal city warfare against such a guerrilla style and barbaric enemy that breaks every military norm and standard. Kudos to Israel for showing such restraint

 

No slaughter is happening. Maybe you need more definitions of words supplied to you?

 

Neither. I would prefer ethnic cleansing over genocide if forced to choose though.

 

Me too. Hamas are insects that need fumigation and you can’t fumigate without clearing the house of people first and letting people back in with heavy screening for any more insects hiding inside their clothes and baggage.

Egypt should be ashamed for preferring these people stay there and suffer instead of providing a safe place they can be taken care of until the fighting is over, the tunnels are destroyed and whatever the aftermath post-war reconstruction looks like which I couldn’t care less what it looks like so long as long term peace is achieved