If Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages....

Sorry for being a Silly Billy with that one.

Given the conundrum you’ve put forward, what do you believe is the path forward? Ethnic cleansing? Something else?

 

Ethnic cleansing sounds racial. Damn, can you guys ever NOT race hustle for 5 damn minutes?
The solution is to change ISLAM. Christianity has been evolving with the times. We even have a pro-LGBT pope.
What are IMAMS saying about LBGT besides trying to figure out with roof to toss them off of?
I gave you the answer, its time for that BARBARIC religion to get an update!

 

Do you think every Palestinian is a Hamas member? I think Israel is done when they've sealed the tunnel complex killed and captured all known Hamas members and captured or destroyed all weapons caches. I think they are closing on most of those objectives even as we speak. Note these events for what ever its worth mirrors in part a prediction I made nearly thirty years ago at the old Utopia politics site long since defunct. That eventually one group or the other of Muslim Crazies was going to take this crap a bridge to far in Israel and spark a major backlash. Hamas did and as I have already said what is happening in Gaza is entirely the fault of the Hamas and there backers in Tehran.

 

Depends on the circumstances

 

Though, I doubt Israel would let the Palestinians back in after that.

I actually still think it's the best solution. Not that Palestinians go to Egypt permanently but they are dispersed. Less death and I'm sure they will recover from the psychological trauma of losing their Homeland.

 

Sounds like you don’t know what ethnic cleansing is. Not a problem. I’m happy to help my fellow forum goers learn.

ethnic cleansing
noun

[uncountable]

(used especially in news reports) the policy of forcing the people of a particular race or religion to leave an area or a country, or killing them
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionar...~:text=noun-,noun,war (against/with somebody)

And in case you need a little background:
OVERVIEW

ethnicity

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A term for the ethnic group to which people belong. Usually it refers to group identity based on culture, religion, traditions, and customs. In some contexts, it is a “politically correct” term equivalent to the word “race,” which may have pejorative associations.
https://www.oxfordreference.com/dis... the ethnic,religion, traditions, and customs.

 

I'll have a crack and you won't like it. Hamas ARE Palestinians.

 

No.

Wouldn’t it be nice if Israel defined what success looks like for them? For now, we see them push civilians to the south, and have now started bombing the south. Looks like ethnic cleansing to me.

 

Does it follow that all Palestinians are Hamas?

 

Is it a waste of time to ask you to elaborate? I’m sure if you were willing/able you would have already done so.

 

But they did have other large ordnance correct?

Am I correct in assuming that bombs come in many different sizes so a sheer number-to-number comparison is limited in what it reveals?

 

I dont personally believe that Israel has any interest other than defense.

 

That still leaves us to speculate on what defense looks like. Their actions so far paint a pretty clear picture.

 

According to YOUR speculation. Not to mine.

 

iDont think islam is the problem. Tell me, where our moral guidance comes from in the west?

iKnow that in Muslim countries they have alot of moral guidance from their religion but please, where does ours come from, corporations?

 

Even biden is getting fed up with netandyahoo and his racist policies.

Joe Biden is growing increasingly irritated with Benjamin Netanyahu, whom he is understood to have called an “a--hole” several times in private - telegraph.

 

morality is subjective. For hardcore radical Islamists the killing of infidels is NOT immoral. I believe one of them could easily attend services at a mosque, engage in peaceful prayer, slaughter an infidel and rescue a kitten stuck in a tree all in the same day.

 

Based on their actions so far, yes. Shame they haven’t offered any substantial statements on their victory conditions. Until then, all anyone can do is speculate.

 

Honestly, I dont care enough to bother wasting time speculating on such things. I have no intention of monitoring every military maneuver and then speculating as to the larger meaning of such. I personally am not a military tactician, so my opinion of the meaning of those maneuvers wouldn't be worth a plug nickel anyway.

My guess would be that your opinion hasnt changed since the beginning of this conflict, and that your speculation is essentially you looking to support your original opinion, rather than you adjusting your position as things have developed. Am I wrong?

 

They already have. Have you not been paying attention. Hamas extinct as many hostages rescued as possible. One suspects that all those not already rescued are already dead.

 

You are. Care to layout what I can present that would convince you of such? Might save both of us some time.

 

Morality is not subjective for you and i, which is what our discussion is based on right now

 

So, all the hostages that have not been saved are likely dead. We can check that off the list.

Hamas extinct. Pretty broad goal. How does Israel plan to confirm that has been achieved? Maybe a month of bombing civilians without any kind of pushback will do it?

 

Well, If you sincerely wanted to prove my assumption wrong, all you would need to do is present a post of yours from earlier in the conflict where you had a more open-minded interpretation of Israeli actions so that we can see how your position has changed over time to your current position where you believe they have surpassed their mandate for defense and are instead just indicriminately bombing civilians.

My assumption is that you likely had the "they are indicriminately bombing civilians" position probably before they had even responded to the October attack.

By all means, I will admit I am wrong if you can provide a post of yours from early in this conflict where you did not hold essentially the same position that you do now. I most definitely can be wrong. I am not infallible by any means. Step up and prove me wrong. I would actually like to see it. It would give your speculation a great deal of credibility. It wouldnt necessarily mean that your speculation was right or wrong, but it would mean that your speculation is your sincere analysis as opposed to just seeking to support your original opinion.

 

Yes, which is why I made the OP. Do you believe it is more than rhetoric?

As one astute person asked above, what would a Hamas surrender even look like, given that they don't have uniforms, military installations or land?
And would Israel accept such a surrender, or declare that Hamas must still exist and keep on going?