When WAS America great?

On your case? I merely was pointing out the need for immigrants. And as you said...

Also, who says immigrants let in aren't vetted?

 

Those cities you mentioned here, they were built on the backs of poor uneducated immigrants starting with poor white Europeans from the wrong countries and then freed slaves escaping the South. You say you are in ag, you admit you need immigrants to survive yet you seem to accept the lie that these immigrants include some global flow of people hell bent on destroying us. Are these the same types of people that built Chicago and worked in those slaughterhouses? Likely so, maybe even less dangerous than the ones that came a century ago. You say they include many of our enemies. Baloney. First of all, we have very, very few enemies in the world so which countries are you mentioning as enemies? Cuba? MLB is filled with them, we have Senators from Cuba. Russia? OK but are they coming to us from Mexico? Nope. China? Are they our enemy now?

 

The work done by unskilled immigrants should be done by welfare recipients.

 

Who said we shouldn’t have immigrants? Who said we shouldn’t have immigration? Not me. You are welcome to quote me saying we shouldn’t …. LOL. We both want immigrants. We agree! Yaaayyy.

Who says immigrants let in aren’t vetted? Here’s one dude that does.



What makes you think immigrants are vetted before entering the US?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna83704

 

Where to start? You seem to know very little about immigration.

I don’t really need immigrants to survive. You do. Most Americans do. Yes, immigrants “built” Chicago and NYC. I don’t see how that’s relevant to what’s going on today.

You picked Russia.

https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/russian-migrant-smugglers-us-southern-border/

That’s the ones encountered. We don’t know how many of the 600,000 “gottaways” are Russian. If it’s 1% that’s 6,000 last year.

China is not our friend (a category I specifically included).

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/#:~:text=Historically, most encounters at the,other than these four nations.

Can you answer the question? Why are Chicago and NYC not chartering buses to move immigrants into their jurisdictions if the immigrants are positive for economic growth, tax base, and civil order? Why are they complaining about the small numbers they received instead of clamoring for more?

Perhaps you need to pay less at to appeal to emotion arguments on TV and look at more data. And think on it a little.

 

Plenty of stories on it if you do a search, coming from left and right sources. The question is why? Again, feminism (typically a right wing answer)? That women have always been miserable but are now free enough to say so (typically a left wing answer)? Examples:

EDIT: Lotta top answers to a search review women compared to men as you can see. Further down the list it is mostly about women being more unhappy than ever... or at least telling us they are.

 

... trying to add a picture...

 

This country is the way it is because of immigration. The problem is ILLEGAL immigration. You know that. Stop it.

 

Border Patrol says so.

 

Our nation was built by immigrants and immigrants continue to make enormous contributions to our nation, our economy, our culture and our society. You made insinuations about immigrants being smuggled across the border being Russians or likely Russians. Since many of them are caught attempting the crossing, those numbers are easy to review. Assumptions about the ones that got through are just that, assumptions based upon an opinion.

China is not our enemy regardless of how much you and others want to make it so. We are competitors and completely dependent upon each other for trade, finances, environmental policies, immigration standards, education and so on. When has China invaded the United States? As for your strawman about Chicago and NYC, they already have the immigrants and what they need is funding to house them because as the rational American understands quite clearly, the GOP is not interested in solving the immigration crisis at all. Statistics show that immigration does indeed help the economy especially at the low end of the spectrum. I drove through Salinas Valley last week and saw miles upon miles of crops being tended by immigrants. Would you prefer those farms to just fold up? No more garlic or artichokes for you then.

 

Who said immigrants aren’t necessary? Why are you resorting to strawman fallacy? I’ve never said or inferred we shouldn’t have immigration.

I’ve posted no strawman. I’ve asked a simple straightforward question multiple times on this forum and can’t get an answer. You can’t answer it either. If this kind of immigration is net beneficial why are NYC and Chicago complaining? Yes, they have a few immigrants. And they are upset about it. If your theory was correct, more immigrants would solve the problem. They should be sending buses to the border to nab immigrants before other states can get them. Your position has NO logic.

I made no insinuations about Russians. You falsely claimed Russians were not entering the country illegally from Mexico. I pointed out that they are using border patrol statistics. You clearly have no knowledge of what’s going on. You are factually incorrect and your opinions are based on these incorrect facts. You picked Russia as an enemy and I showed 30,000 per month are apprehended trying to enter the US illegally.

If you saw crops being tended and picked and those crops are showing up in your store, how are immigrants in hotels getting free grub adding to the economy of anywhere? You do realize most ag labor like you saw is legal immigration or temporary work permits, right, not gottaways from the border patrol?

 

It is important to note that it was built by legal immigrants. It is also important to note that since 1882 legal immigration was limited to those that were not criminals, insane, or unable to take care of themselves. In other words, they needed to be able to take care of themselves financially.

All too often, people pushing your position conveniently blur the line between legal and illegal immigration. They are not the same thing.

 

Perspective matters here. America today is like a classroom of kids, but lacking a teacher and discipline. They aren't stupid, they are probably quite intelligent- they just have allowed the immature among them to control the level of thinking and conduct in the room. In other words, they are failing to regulate themselves, and lacking examples of reason and responsibility, are engaging in chaos.

The potential for greatness is there. It's illustrated in a quote by Issac Newton, and some before him. It basically says we achieve greater things by standing on the shoulders of giants. All these people who currently are making fools of themselves in the chaos are capable of that, of advancing the state of the nation and the people, building on the greatness of the past. It's a state of the art, the process of building. Perfection is not the goal- being on the path to it is. End the chaos, learn from the past, and get back to the task- and again, we travel the path to greatness.

Greatness is simply the achievement of a better world. Not one that serves everybody like a waiter, not one that controls everybody like dictators- but one that clears the path, removes the obstacles- and allows people to become all they are capable of, to thrive.

 

So you are saying Guido got a visa in Palermo at our consulate and then arrived at Ellis with a passport? Please. The borders were fluid back then but you do make a great point, if a Chinaman showed up at the port trying to immigrate, they got a ton of grief. Immigration policies and processes were nothing like we think they are today in the 1800s. Sure if a boat filled with Poles showed up at NYC, they went to Ellis island where they would be processed but do you really think that the entire border in the West and South were patrolled by immigration agents in 1890?

 

I said not one thing about your fictional Guido, but I did make reference to the Immigration Act of 1882, and it proscribed the precise requirements that I conveyed to you. If "Guido" were old and infirmed, a criminal, or insane, he would NOT have made it in, and if somehow he did make it in, he would not be receiving one thin dime from the government. They were 100% responsible for taking care of themselves.

"The Immigration Act of 1882 was a United States federal law signed by President Chester A. Arthur on August 3, 1882. It imposed a head tax on non-citizens of the United States who came to American ports and restricted certain classes of people from immigrating to America, including criminals, the insane, or "any person unable to take care of him or herself." The act created what is recognized as the first federal immigration bureaucracy and laid the foundation for more regulations on immigration, such as the Immigration Act of 1891."
Immigration Act of 1882 - Wikipedia

Back to the original point, it is important to note that this country and its westward expansion was fueled by legal immigration. Dont blur the line between legal and illegal, because they are vastly different things.

 

Which welfare recipients?
And how many welfare recipients are there vs the number of jobs needing to be filled?

 

Never claimed you didn't want immigrants. So I don't have to prove something I didn't say.
I asked, who said immigrants aren't vetted.

All released into the country have gone through a process.

 

Lotta opinions, most of them by men.

 

About 65 million people were on welfare in the US according to Social Security Administration.
https://wisevoter.com/state-ranking...y-people-are-on-welfare-in-the-united-states-

If we ended the welfare system and increased the severity of the criminal justice system we would enjoy considerable tax savings and have an easy time policing our borders.

 

What illegals?
Who are they? Where are they? How many are there?

If they are illegal, then it's illegal to hire them. And most everything related to them is illegal.

I know we have some, but how many is the question and how do we find them?

trump golf courses had illegals in their ranks, even when he was president.
They were merely fired, but not deported.

Below is not the story I was hoping to find, but it does show trump was aware of illegal immigrants under his employ.

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One of the women continues to live in the U.S. as an undocumented immigrant. The other, who is from Costa Rica, has become a legal permanent resident since quitting her job at Bedminster. She worked at the property from 2010 to 2013 and told the Times she washed and ironed Trump's underwear, shirts and other personal effects.
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/07/674576373/trump-golf-club-allegedly-employed-undocumented-immigrants

 

How many of those 65M are working?
People can work at low wage jobs and still qualify for food, heat, shelter assistance. IE welfare.

I assumed you were referring to those on welfare that never work. How many of them are there?
And I assume you aren't referring to those who are disabled that collect SS disability.

 

Really?
Link.

 

I have had conversations with Americans, and it turns out that the 'again' in 'Make America Great Again' is the 10th of December 1941, the day before Germany declared War on America.

 

The border patrol leaders are on Fox news every day. Tune in.