FDR and his policies prolonged the Great Depression by 7 years

FDR had no choice, Soviet troops were on the ground throughout Eastern Europe, best to just acknowledge an accomplished fact

At the time, no one knew if the A-bomb would actually work. and if not for the A-Bomb an invasion of Japan would have been in the offing with hundreds of thousands of casualties. In that case, FDR would have needed Stalin's assistance very much.

 

Some studies have pointed out that people employed in temporary government programs were not counted as employed, and thus the unemployment numbers were higher that the would otherwise would have been had "New Deal" jobs been counted:

A major conceptual error in the standard BLS and Lebergott unemployment estimates for 1933-1943 is reported. Emergency workers (employees of federal contracyclical programs such as WPA) were counted as unemployed on a normal-jobs-to-be-created instead of job-seekers unemployment definition. For 1934-1941, the corrected unemployment levels are reduced by two to three-and-a half million people and the rates by 4 to 7 percentage points.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=259399
http://www.nber.org/papers/w0088.pdf
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2009/02/02/the_new_deal_worked

 

The Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. The Democrats love socialism! The redistribution of wealth in this country is their primary political goal.

 

You are correct, starbow.

I just wish we had held out for more concessions against the Soviets.

General George Patton was ready and willing to drive them out of Eastern Europe.

After August of 1945, (the Yalta conference was in February of that year) the Soviets would have willingly withdrawn from Eastern Europe without firing a shot!

 

doubtful that he would have withdrawn

 

You are probably correct.

Stalin was a very evil person.

He killed as many Russian citizens as did Adolph Hitler.

He probably would have double-dared us to drop the atomic bomb on Moscow!

 

No he didn't. Stalin killed 45 million of his own people during his reign. Hitler, not counting the holocaust killed 4 million during his reign.

 

The four S's? Off topic. But let's look into them.

Slavery: It was a very differnt time then. Only the most radical abolitionists ever believed African Americans could ever intergrate into a white soceity. The efforts put into by the Democratic party helped prolong the Civil War. Not stop, just prolong.

Sesscion: A differnt time, and a time where one Webster, a dem. influenced the great Lincoln. And it's funny to note, that when a dem. president was in, the Republican Congress tried to impeach him. Setting a very bad precedent for the future.
Segergation: Like I said before. A very differnt time. And it's also funny to note, that the Republicans rigged President Haye's election. The only way the Dems. would have accpeted it, was if Reconstruction ended. Go figure.

Socialism: Can you come up with something new? THe right has been playing the socialist card for the last 80 to possibly 110 years. It's dry, and it doesn't work.

 

Excessively sweet union contracts, open borders, Income Redistribution and free broadband service courtesy of the liberal Democrats! ... Socialism is theft! Pure and Simple!

 

You got anything new? Or do you intend to keep going off topic? We are here to discuss the GD.

 

You have to count the Holocaust victims.

There is no justification not to.

Check this out.

 

the depression dragged on until the second world war!

 

I beleive I said, not counting the holocaust. Those were Germany's caussltys during WWII.

No he didn't. Stalin killed 45 million of his own people during his reign. Hitler, not counting the holocaust killed 4 million during his reign.

The only thing I should have done, was divided 25 mil. by three and then add that to 20 mil for the Russian causulties. Sorry about that.

 

You are correct, bacardi.

The liberals in this group often guess at the answers, and most of time their guesses are wrong!

 

You are funny!

The liberals in this group often guess at the answers, and most of time their guesses are wrong!

 

Speaking of being wrong, you never addressed my post:

 

Ask politely, and I may tell you.

 

That's OK. The fact that it is wrong tells me all I need to know.

 

FDR's policies created a coma just like Obama's. Unemploment never dipped below the mid teens until everyone went to work to kill the Japs and the Germans.

The deficts FDR ran were staggering and accomplisehd little more than creating a permanent underclass.

 

FDR's policies didn't create the 25% unemployment. Like Obama, he was another Democrat that inherited yet another Republicans economic fiasco he had to fix.

 

So what?

It failed to get unemployment under the mid teens. That's not recovery.

Had FDR dropped dead and WWII never happened, someone else would have "inherited his lousy economy" just like Obama's successor will.

 

That is the honest truth, Revere.

World War 2 saved FRD's cookies!

Without the war in Japan and Europe, FDR never would have been elected to a third term!

 

What is your fetish with thanking your cult heroes for lousy economies that never get better?

The stock market took until the 1950s to get back to where it was before FDR in the 20s.

 

That is not clear:

A major conceptual error in the standard BLS and Lebergott unemployment estimates for 1933-1943 is reported. Emergency workers (employees of federal contracyclical programs such as WPA) were counted as unemployed on a normal-jobs-to-be-created instead of job-seekers unemployment definition. For 1934-1941, the corrected unemployment levels are reduced by two to three-and-a half million people and the rates by 4 to 7 percentage points.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=259399
http://www.nber.org/papers/w0088.pdf
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2009/02/02/the_new_deal_worked

I agree the economy took years to recover from the fiasco. And I also agree that there are some valid criticism about wage issues that might have kept unemployment higher. But the economy turned around in 1933 following the election of FDR and his New Deal programs.

 

It's clear. The economy was dead in the water until the war machine revved up leading up to WWII.

Someone else would have inherited that, save for WWII.