British rioters the spawn of a bankrupt ruling elite

Britian`s greatest social problems stem directly from it`s own short sighted immigration policies. Rather than take in realistic numbers of people of diverse cultures, with a focus on assisted assimilation. They`ve fragmented their society by flooding their cities with hords of potential human resources, practically dumping them on the streets with nowhere to go, and no hope. These people naturally gravitated to their own ghetos, the rest is history. We all have to be more realistic about our intake.

 

Bingo! you nailed it.

 

you are very correct, DonGlock26.

Especially when you say, "They have somehow managed not to notice what has long been apparent to anyone who has taken a short walk with his eyes open down any frequented British street: that a considerable proportion of the country's young population (a proportion that is declining) is ugly, aggressive, vicious, badly educated, uncouth and criminally inclined."

 

As members of the European Community they have no choice as it's a free market for people as well as jobs. Lay the blame where it should be laid, either on EC policy or joining the Common market in the first place, but then every member suffers the same fate to some extent.

 

How so?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_labour_law

 

not his post though - it is actually a quote from a Murdoch newspaper, AND is not exactly full of factual information (no surprise there).

the problems in Britain are not the product of the left. Earlier riots occurred under Thatcher - why are they again occurring under a conservative government?

 

Perhaps those who get something for nothing have been told they are going to get less of it. So you are right. It's not solely the product of the left but the product is likely to be reduced in size.

 

Free movement

Articles 45-48 state that workers have the right to move freely and work anywhere in the EU, without discrimination on grounds of nationality, subject to exceptions to preserve public policy, security and health.

 

The UK lurched Left after WWII.



The "Windrush generation"

Since World War II many African-Caribbean people migrated to North America and Europe, especially to the United States, Canada, the UK, France, and the Netherlands. As a result of the losses during the war, the British government began to encourage mass immigration from the countries of the British Empire and Commonwealth to fill shortages in the labour market.[13] The 1948 British Nationality Act gave British citizenship to all people living in Commonwealth countries, and full rights of entry and settlement in Britain.[14] Many West Indians were attracted by better prospects in what was often referred to as the mother country.

In 1998, an area of public open space in Brixton was renamed Windrush Square to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of the arrival of the West Indians.[15]

The ship MV Empire Windrush brought the first group of 492 immigrants to Tilbury near London on 22 June 1948.[16] The Windrush was en route from Australia to England via the Atlantic, docking in Kingston, Jamaica. An advertisement had appeared in a Jamaican newspaper offering cheap transport on the ship for anybody who wanted to come and work in the UK. The arrivals were temporarily housed in the Clapham South deep shelter in southwest London less than a mile away from Coldharbour Lane in Brixton. Many only intended to stay in Britain for a few years, and although a number returned to the Caribbean to rejoin the RAF, the majority remained to settle permanently.[17] The arrival of the passengers has become an important landmark in the history of modern Britain, and the image of West Indians filing off its gangplank has come to symbolise the beginning of modern British multicultural society.[17] See Windrush image "here"..

There was plenty of work in post-war Britain and industries such as British Rail, the National Health Service and public transport recruited almost exclusively from Jamaica and Barbados.[18] Though Afro-Caribbeans were encouraged to journey to Britain via immigration campaigns created by successive British governments, many new arrivals were to endure prejudice, intolerance and extreme racism from sectors of indigenous British society.[16] This experience was to mark African-Caribbeans' relations with the wider community over a long period.[19] Early African-Caribbean immigrants found private employment and housing denied to them on the basis of race. Trade unions would often not help African-Caribbean workers and some pubs, clubs, dance halls and churches would bar black people from entering.[16] Housing was in short supply following the wartime bombing, and the shortage led to some of the first clashes with the established white community. Clashes continued and worsened into the 1950s, and riots erupted in cities including London, Birmingham and Nottingham.[13] In 1958, attacks in the London area of Notting Hill by white youths marred relations with West Indian residents, leading to the creation of the annual Notting Hill Carnival, which was initiated in 1959 as a positive response by the Caribbean community.[20] Some of the racism and intolerance was stoked by explicitly fascist or anti-immigration movements including Oswald Mosley's Union Movement, the League of Empire Loyalists, the White Defence League, the National Labour Party and others. Influenced by this kind of propaganda, gangs of Teddy Boys would often attack blacks in London.[16]

In 1962, Britain passed the Commonwealth Immigrants Act restricting the entry of immigrants,[13] and by 1972 only holders of work permits, or people with parents or grandparents born in the UK could gain entry - effectively stemming most Caribbean immigration.[14] Despite the restrictive measures, an entire generation of Britons with African-Caribbean heritage now existed, contributing to British society in virtually every field. The number of British persons born in the West Indies had increased from 15,000 in 1951 to 172,000 in 1961 to 304,000 in 1981. The total population of persons of West Indian heritage by 1981 was between 500,000 and 550,000, depending upon the official source used.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_African-Caribbean_community

 

Oh! I get it now. The rioters are all immigrants. Fancy me not realising it without you having to point it out.

 

So you are telling me that Cameron is a leftist, as was Thatcher?

 

Conservative governments exist in Europe?

 

ummmm .... yes ... maybe not the american version of conservative - but on a global scale, the current crop of american conservatives aren't actually conservatives - they are right wing extremists.

 

right wing extremists

and what is today's definition of right wing extremist? It's difficult to keep track sometimes.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_wing_extremist

American conservatives, at least the majority who post on thos forum, frequently indicate that they are into a vision of (national) supremacy, they also frequently demonstrate high levels of xenophobia and racism, and appear to support segregation (people who are not like us should stay out of our patch).

They also frequently demonstrate high levels of authoritarianism and despite bleating about individual freedoms, appear to want to control the lives of others.

 

I'll agree with that part, although not necessarily the 'scholars' part.

The use of 'right wing extremist' is getting a bit redundant. It's thrown around quite a bit when describing people ranging from libertarians, to religious fanatics, to neo-nazis, despite the vast differences in their beliefs.

 

In my use of the term, it relates to someone with extreme disdain for those who are not the same as them, on any level.

As soon as I see someone repeatedly referring to "leftists", "liberals" and relating to the whole world through the prism of American partisan politics, I know I am dealing with the extreme right.

These people are usually poorly educated, white males with an axe to grind because they think someone, somewhere is getting a better deal than them ... but it can't be someone outside the US, because we are all backward and desperately want to live in the US with its high unemployment levels, appalling social intrastructure and disparities in income that are comparable to the third world ...

the people they believe are getting a better deal are usually blacks, single mothers, welfare recipients in general and any nation which is in receipt of US Aid (which in their tiny minds means all of us).

they believe that abortion in murder - although they tend to disregard the wellbeing of children born to single mothers - who obviously are a burden to them personally.

these people consistently use "free speech" to demonise others.

They also have a very poor understanding of other cultures/religions and science, although consider themselves to be more knowledgeable in these subjects than people who have studied these subjects.

they are rampant on this forum, and are a very poor advertisement for the US..

 

So what?

These are major media outlets. You can't just say "oh, THIS major media outlet is owned by Murdoch therefore we can't beleive anything that comes out of it." and then go some kook blog for "the real news."

Newscorps ownership does not mean you can judge a major mainstream media publication as unreliable source.

 

Long before joining the EU in `73, people from former British colonies were allowed British citizenship. What you say is true to a certain extent, although I still stand by the points made previously.

 

Please, I WATCH FOREIGN FILMS. Are you telling me that the street images I see of average everyday people living in the dingiest (*)(*)(*)(*)tiest little flats packed in like Sardines isn't REAL??

I was just watching a German flick the other day and these people lived in an apartment block, what are supposed to represent the average german homes I suppose and they were CRAP. They were dingy and dirty and run down and looked like something right out of the Soviet Era.

Europeans who think that quality of life is all about health care are mad. Whoopdie do, you have universal health care!

Can the average Eruopean own a single family home with 2 cars and a garage on a half acre plot of land?

Can the Average European own a jetski, a boat, a quadrunner and a snowmobile? That isn't the rich I'm talking about that's just middle class Americans and there are still a whole (*)(*)(*)(*) load more of them here than over there in Europe.
European "middle class" lives like lower working classes compared to here.

But hey, at least they can go to the doctor, that's a WHOLE LOT OF FUN let me tell you.

While your socializing at the doctor, I'm out ridin on my dad's jetski from his sailboat that he bought from earnings as a simple middle class Heating and Air Conditioning technician.

 

Silicon

Ill concede that you probably have many of these things. But its because the land you took from the natives is more abundant. Not because of anything else.

In time youll be just like us, more and more crowded. Plus there are many american places were people live in little apartments. Quality of life in the USA is comparable but not really better than northern europe.

Anyway, Don Glock please answer this question; Given that conservativves have been in power mostly over the last 30 years when all this 'decline' has occurred are you now calling our 'right wing' lefties by yyour standards?

Would you like to explain it all to us? or would you rather we thought you to be loud and deeply uninterested in human affairs?

 

Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the natives? You think I feel any guilt about that? The Founding Fathers made no excuses! In all of their writings about the subject all of them admit full well that they conquered this land from the natives and gave it to me. You think I feel bad about that? Survival of the fittest.

The difference is in the US you have CHOICE. You don't HAVE to live in an litttle flat becuase that is all the Government will allow to be built. No one has to live like an animal in NYC, they can move out of NYC to the country and live far better quality of lives with all the open space necessary and this nation is far far from filling up and becoming so dense that everyone has no choice but to move into a flat!

This "decline" has not taken place over 30 years. That is a myth made up by leftists who count the "decline" as beginning under Reagan when in fact, this "decline" did not begin until the late 90's under Clinton.

Reagan presided over the largest expansion of the US economy in it's history and despite all the myths peddled by those too young to remember, I was there at the time and it was a golden age compared to now.

 

That you did. And then when it became evident that the thread you had started was based upon a load of old bollox you immediately made apologies to the forum for misleading it and offered up the truth instead. No, you did not.

No time like the present though, eh ?

 

and they have stereotypres about both their own and other cultures that are beyond belief.

interestingly, per capita boat ownership is less in the US than it is in Denmark or Canada

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/index.htm

and western australia has the highest per capita boat ownership in the world.

http://www.dsd.wa.gov.au/documents/111132_WA_Book(1).pdf

jetskis are only for people who can't afford proper boats.