Hamas supports nation-wide referendum on Zionism.

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  1. Quantrill

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    Look at the history of the 67 war.

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    Morality dictates that you don't steal the land and homes of others an expell them or destroy their livelihood.

    That's what Hitler did...

    A preemptive war based on provocations and covertousness or paranoia is not moral or ethical... not for Christians, Jews or Muslims.
     
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    The 67 war dictates that Gaza belongs to Israel. If you can't take the loss, then you better not start the war.

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    Egypt and Palestine didn't start the 1967 war...

    Gaza didn't start the 1967 war.. Neither did Lebanon or Syria or Jordan.
     
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    So Moon and Quantrill agree! Both feel that successful violence is the sole measure of what should determine the future of Israel/Palestine. The only difference appears to be which side they are cheering for.
     
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    Gaza never had an army to attack Israel....
     
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    All the Arab states backed by Russian promises, started the war. Gaza was territory that belonged to the Arabs which they lost as a result of that war.

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    Now, you've been informed that territory cannot be legally gained by means of war- any form of war- so why persist in waving the pirate flag ?
     
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    The Arabs states didn't attack in 1967 and there were no promises from the Soviets.. just false intel about Israeli army being amassed on the Syrian border.
     
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    No pirate flag. Fact of life. You can inform all you want, but you cant change it by your 'informing'.

    Gaza belongs to Israel.

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    Then Israel should grants full human rights and citizenship to the 1.2 million arabs who live in Gaza.
     
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    Ah, but I can

    Not according to anybody at all except Rapturists and other extremist minorities - not even Israel.
     
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    Do you hate Israel because it is thus an apartheid regime, or do you believe that the racist hatred of Semites is the requirement for being a Zionist, meaning that Israel cannot exist without apartheid?
     
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    No. They blockaded the port of Eliat, as I already said.

    The Soviets supported and encouraged the Arabs all through the 67 war.

    The only false information the Arabs got was that they could win.

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    Israel can grant citizenship to whomever it wants. Thats its decision.

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    So, you condemn the hated Semites because Egypt is said to have blocked Eliat, and you condemn the hated Semites since Israel blocks the port of Gaza. Is it thus not possible for more Zionists to condemn their own racism instead of hating Semites? Does Israel feel that it must unconditionally hate Semites because of the Holocaust?
     
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    Israel owns Gaza. Just because they removed their troops from there doesn't mean its not still theirs.

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    Do you belive your foolish questions make you appear intelligent? They don't. They make you appear foolish.

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    This is true if Israel is an apartheid regime. Why do you thus honor racism and apartheid in the name of Israel, as long as Semites are harmed as a result of such? Why does Israel obligate its followers to be racists?
     
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    No they didn't.. Read Moshe Dayan's diary.

    You have a real perverse and false understanding of what happened.

    Israel attacked Egypt...

    NO Israeli flagged ship had passed thru the straits of Tiran for 13 months prior and Nasser asked for negotiations to reopen the straits for a deal that Israel would stop cross border raids into Lebanon.

    The Israelis wanted war.. more land and water assets.. They planned for the war since 1953. They make that VERY clear.
     
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    Gaza was occupied and- according to any reasonable definition of the word- Gaza is still occupied.

    Zionists had better go home, before they are steamrollered by arabs and world opinion.

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    Attack the message, rather than the messenger, unless you believe that personal attacks are the only means of defending the racism and apartheid one loves and respects.

    Why can't Israel recognize and accept the nation of Palestine without hating and harming innocent Semites due to the typical racist nature of much of political Zionism?
     
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    Theft and genocide are wrong no matter who is doing it...
     
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    This is very true and I hope that some Zionists will become intelligent enough to recognize this someday too.
     
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    I could say read anything. Give me some legetimate quotes in the diary. Don't lie to me.

    There were many attacks by Arabs prior to any of the 67 war. The blocade was an act of war.

    Nassar was wanting to go to War. "On May 29 Nasser spoke to the members of the Egyptian National Assembly. 'The issue is not the question of Akaba, the Straits of Tiran or the United Nations Emergency Force,' he said, 'The issue is the aggression against Palestine that took place in 1948.'

    (Israel, Martin Gilbert, p.376)

    Nassar wanted Israel destroyed. He was not seeking any peace.

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