In Memory of late Col. Muammar Gaddafi

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In Memory of the late Col. Muammar Gaddafi - What History Books won't tell our children.

by D-A

" I decided to make this thread in memory of a Leader who was greatly misunderstood, betrayed and eventually murdered. Whatever preconceived beliefs you may have of the dead man now, there is no denying about the fact about the overwhelming amount of evidence of the GOOD things Gaddafi did and was potentially going to do.

This is not some "communist", "socialistic" Propaganda that "I'm preaching". Most of it is the cold hard truth which I know is hard to swallow and in no way I'm saying Gaddafi was a complete saint. He was a revolutionary whose ideas posed a great threat to the mainstream Elite establishment - and that is something history will forget depending on who writes the history books.

I hope ya’ll don’t mind this thread being a bit long, as I intend to destroy EVERY LIE about Gaddafi told to you by the Mainstream Media, one by one.

LIE 1: “There were Human rights abuses in Libya and Gaddafi slaughtered his own people”

The primary justification for intervention in Libya by NATO was because "there were severe human rights abuses" under Gaddafi's rule. These claims were in reality, far fetched and laughable, because Libya probably had far better human rights than any other country in Africa. What YOU were told by those Mainstream Media fanatics including all those so called "human rights" groups like Amnesty International (which is no doubt another front controlled by the Elite), were all either fabricated lies or deliberately exaggerated for the justified NATO intervention.
This piece of evidence (dated 4th January 2011) from the UN Human Rights website which clearly shows undeniable proof that there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE of serious Human Right's abuses as accused by NATO and UN presently.
Libya Human Rights Report by UN - 4th January 2011

Whats more, SEVERAL countries even praised Libya's excellent Human rights Track Record but they still decided to topple Gaddafi! Hypocrisy or what?!


LIE 2: “The people of Libya were oppressed and were living in poverty under Gaddafi’s rule”

This lie is probably the funniest, and the easiest to debunk.

There was very little poverty (almost compared to Western standards) and Libya had literally the best living standards in Africa ranking 55th out of 172 countries (before NATO and Rebel interference) according to the Human Development Index - 0.755

The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had:

Free education,
Free health care,
Free farmland a house and seeds,
Free energy bills,
$50,000 housing money for just married couples,
Interest free loans,
Debt free country,
Government pays half for your car,
Near free gasoline prices
etc.

The people in Libya were oppressed MY A$$! This country sounds like the American dream which the people of America never had!

And just to note, almost EVERY country in Africa today is dependent on Foreign Aid, except Libya (during Gaddafi's rule). This will be further analysed later in the thread.

The Truth about Libya

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek&feature=player_embedded"]Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube[/ame]

LIE 3: Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing

Libya and Gaddafi was FRAMED for the Lockerbie Bombing. END OFF. This was probably one of the EARLIEST LIES to frame Gaddafi and socially engineer the public’s perception of him.

This is based on the premise that key evidence presented at the trial (e.g. timer fragment, parts from a specific radio cassette model, clothing bought in Malta, bomb suitcase originating at Luqa Airport) was deliberately fabricated by the U.S. and Britain for the "political" purpose of incriminating Libya.

Why?

Because of all the reasons stated above and below. Libya was bad for Big business and Big Banking, so something had to be done – like the Lockerbie Bombing, so that lies could be fabricated and Gaddafi could be demonised over the years until his death.

Even though Gaddafi was never involved in the Lockerbie Bombing, recently the mainstream media is jumping around the fact that he somehow “was”.

You can read more about the Lockerbie conspiracy here if you're interested: The Lockerbie Bombing Conspiracy
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LIE 4: “Gaddafi wanted to become the king of Africa and enslave all the people”

On the contrary, Gaddafi wanted a more united Africa...an Africa which was independent of Western interference and exploitation.
You ever wonder why the billions of $$$ in Aid never actually help the people of Africa in the long term? Because its bad for big business. Simple as that.
If you start getting a stronger Africa both economically and politically, then Big Multinational Corporations would literally be BANKRUPT, DEAD and ERADICATED over night.

Why?

Because their business models literally WORK AND DEPEND on SLAVERY.

Pay some African kid less than a dollar a day to make shoes, and then sell the shoes for $50 in the market. 5000% profit made. Most of it goes to the board of directors not because they are doing good business – but because THEY CAN benefit by exploiting the African people and smacking the “Fair Trade” label on everything so that when we the consumer buy stuff, do not have to feel guilty about buying products made in Third World Countries.
Why Fair trade is NOT FAIR – THE TELEGRAPH
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The people in Libya under Gaddafi’s rule had:

Free education,
Free health care,
Free farmland a house and seeds,
Free energy bills,
$50,000 housing money for just married couples,
Interest free loans,
Debt free country,
Government pays half for your car,
Near free gasoline prices
etc.

Can you document that claim?

Libya's oil production was flat until 2005 and yet Khadafi managed to fund rebels all over Africa and skin off 120 million for himself.

He gave the people just enough but didn't invest in needed infrastructure.

Read the 10 points of Khadafi's GREEN BOOK and the Rights of the People that he tossed out when he tossed out Libya's constitution.

You can't dip Khadfi in choclate and call him an M&M.

 

Free bullets.

Free torture.

Free imprisonment.

Freedom to express Gaddafi thoughts.

 

LIE 5: “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”

And this is it folks, the biggest lie ever told in the history of Libya (and to the World aswell) - “The wealth of Gaddafi will be redistributed to the people of Libya”.

Even if you may still have doubts whether Gaddafi was really the Good guy or not, theres no DENYING about the fact the sole reason why NATO intervened in Libya was due to Economical reasons.

Why punish the banks during an economic crisis when you can easily profit from a war based on a lie?

UN to steal 144 tons of Gold from Libya
how ?

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That’s right folks, Gaddafi wanted OUT of the International Banking Scam which was (still is) gripping the World. The Elite couldn’t have that, so they started a couple of false flag protests, added a pinch of Al Qaeda militants to create bloodshed to make every sap in the World believe Gaddafi was killing his people, and then finally justify military intervention in the name of “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”.

As you can see, Libya was truly a far better country before this Illegal Civil War and NATO interference.

I pray for the people in Libya now because most of this wealth of Gaddafi "being redistributed”, will mostly go to the Big Banking firms and Multinationals immediately as “debt to be paid”.

And yeah, remember those words: FREEDOM AND DEMORACY.

I’m sure that is something we people here in the West VERY MUCH wish to have right now.

"A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on" — John F. Kennedy
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Nelson Mandela meets Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi


Without the help of Gaddafi, nelson Mandela would have more than likely rotted in an African jail til death.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umgMDJIpkn0&feature=player_embedded"]Nelson Mandela meets Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi - YouTube[/ame]

HUGE PRO GADDAFI RALLY in Tripoli
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzNhk3zv4U"]HUGE PRO GADDAFI RALLY in Tripoli - Raw Footage - YouTube[/ame]



Hmmmm...

 

Free to create terrorism.

Free to support terrorism.

Free to use terrorism.

Free to kill innocent people.

Free to claim a change in attitude.

Free to renege on a change in attitude.

 

Khadafi's money won't be redistributed to the people.. It will be used to repair and rebuild infrastrucute.. NOBODY has said the money would be ditributed among the citizens.

 

Please!

You are preaching democracy. Maybe after the USA retains the Libyan cash it considers as costs to remove a dictator to be replaced by a US induced successor.

People come last in today's world.

 

What other Arab leader dressed up like a Punic Queen?

Khadafi tried to have King Abdullah assassinated over an imagined slight.

Khadaafi didn't have a single friend among the Arab leaders.. He was a dangerous, arrogant, unschooled buffoon.

Khadafi

 

Yes, margot - some of it , but better read quick before the NTC close it down .

http://www.mongabay.com/history/libya/libya-social_welfare_health_and_welfare.html


Yes - I 've read yr Green Book thread.

As the writer stated in his introduction

"-in no way I'm saying Gaddafi was a complete saint. He was a revolutionary whose ideas posed a great threat to the mainstream Elite establishment - and that is something history will forget depending on who writes the history books

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cheers. .


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Margot - re infrastuctures ,
I'm no expert on Libya (or anything else for that matter-wink)
However I recently read abt substantial irrigation - underground river project . It was a letter from one of engineers who worked out there.

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That list has been copied all over the internet, but I have yet to see any actual original source.

BTW, Saudi Arabia does the same thing for their citizens, but they don't fund African rebels... They reinvest in infrastructure development.

Libya, post Khadafi... will be the Jewel of North Africa.. a tourist destination.

Khadafi was ignorant, belligerent,defiant, and he hurt Libya for 40 years.. Personally, I think he was mentally ill... a delusional Meglamaniac.

 

Wish all those claims are true but they are not that is why your Gaddafi was willing to wage war rather than listening to Libyans and call for a free election. Gaddafi could have peacefully step down or do the right thing like Mubarak listen to the people.

 

I also think that he was a nutcase and a dangerous one at that.

Imagine that he insisted that he would be called Great Brother Leader...

And that he did such crazy things such as in hosting African nations to decide on the future of a united Africa, accomodating his guests on an Italian boat and when it emerged that they were going to vote against him, he even tried to put them out to sea...

A total meglomaniac. I am convinced that he never beleived his reign would end and hence it ended as it did.

 

True, if he had been so great a leader, surely he would not have had a problem with holding elections during that 42 year reign?

In fact he was so delusional that he pretended until the end that the people held the power in their committees. Totally bonkers.

 

You aren't the only one... Khadafi was a psycho.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/213440-what-made-khadafi-so-strange.html#post4616567

 

Gaddafi was a class act. There wasn't one Western leader who didn't look like a uniformed tax-collector in his company. He made two bad mistakes though.
Dynasties, dynasties of any description, will cause dissent amongst the population. The son is never the father rejuvenated.
Secondly, he attempted to free Africa virtually alone. Now that the oppressors have come for him it will be the turn of those who said nothing.



RIP.

 

He dressed like a Punic Queen, Moon..

He was extremely insecure, narcissistic and ruthless.. None of those qualities make for a statesman or a solid leader.

 

Dear margot , he might have been all that you say he was , but let's not paint the devli blacker than he was, and deny any good which may - perhaps have been introduced during his time. - such as the following : evidence you asked for :


Libya's Social Security

http://www.libya-watanona.com/libya/socialc.htm


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Whether Libya become's a Jewel is pure speculation - I avoid crystal balls.
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Yes, they do. Flamboyance is a virtue in the entertainment industry- and that's what Western representative democracy is. Unfortunately, all of our leaders look like undertakers. That's not surprising really, is it, considering their close association with world's funeral parlors.

 

Libya has a great deal going for it... They have Khadafi's fortune, they have oil assets, they have a small population and they remember human rights written into their Constitution under KIng Idris.. They also have a great location, beautiful beaches and a rich heritage.

Khadafi held Libya back for 40 years because he was too d*mned ignorant and insecure to get along with either the European, Americans or other Arabs.

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/213440-what-made-khadafi-so-strange.html#post4616630

 

For you as well :

http://www.libya-watanona.com/libya/socialc.htm


Peacefully step down ? NAH ! he was true to his word :

Qaddafi: "I would die here as a martyr"

Gaddafi said he would welcome death because martyrdom would be a "million times better" than surrender.


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A martyr to what?

By the mid-Seventies, Gaddafi was secretly authorising financial and military support for the IRA and was later accused of sanctioning atrocities including the bombing of the Pan Am jumbo jet over Lockerbie and the murder of WPC Yvonne Fletcher.

Gaddafi’s sudden rise to power took the West and other leaders by surprise. The documents from the National Archive files report that the Foreign Office discreetly asked ambassadors throughout North Africa and the Middle East to assess Libya’s new leader – and they came to a near unanimous conclusion when it came to his mental health.

A dispatch from the British Embassy in Tripoli stated: ‘The simplest conclusion to draw would be that in his vision


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tcase-loathed-ugly-British.html#ixzz1bccGhsYz

 

Be that as it may , however , as I've said on anotherb thread :

I remain far less optimistic abt the average Libyan's living standards than you might be.

I'm afraid - greed and corruption is deep rooted/inherent
to the region - and I'll nibble away/chew my keyboard,-

whatever verbal promises made, - if the new NTC leaders dont enrich themselves before lifting the living standards of the average -Libyan .


"ELECTIONS" will also turn out to be convenient eye-wash , to legitimize a new bunch of scoundrels'




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( Taking a break I'm thirsty - its Pub Time.)

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The main Gaddafi's crimes were the wealth of the country, which wanted to plunder so called "Western Democracies" and the bad example that he gave to other African countries, concerned about his people and not about the interests of Shell and BP.

And may be the main - his friendship with China with whom US intends to fight very soon ..

 

No one was plundering Libya... LOLOL

Do you know what an oil concession contract actually is?

Do you know whao has been working in Libya since 2004?

How about Marathon, Hess, Occidental, Dutch Shell, Conoco Philips, BP, Synopec, TOTAL and ENI.. and they all paid hefty revenues and taxes to Khadafi.


Remember this"

Gaddafi hires 200 young Italian women – to convert them to IslamLibyan leader goes to hostess agency to find audience for religious lecture in Rome
reddit this John Hooper in Rome guardian.co.uk, Monday 16 November 2009 12.50 EST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/16/gaddafi-women-islam-rome