A fake plane was added for south tower explosion

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  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    What is thát windowless building in your pictures?
     
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    7forever Active Member

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    The south tower. It impacts the southeast corner.
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal New Member

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    That can't be the south tower. The south tower had windows, that building has none.

    Seriously, what is that Unidentified Monolith?
     
  4. 7forever

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    There were orbs, helicopters and fake planes on 911.:bored:
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    there were helicopters and two 767's, no 'orbs'
     
  6. 7forever

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    Not a single video has ever surfaced that shows a 767 impact either tower. If there was, you'd have posted it already.
     
  7. 7forever

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    The following three were filmed on 911; Chopper 4 orb, WB11 chopper, and a plane that evening. It is clear that camera zoom on a distant object will reveal more detail and will often provide positive identification as it does with the chopper and plane. The orb shows no identifying characteristics of any known flying object or aircraft, staying true to its drone status. Note the speed and efficiency of the chopper and plane compared to the laughable cartoon dive of the orb.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DahTYtdHLA&feature=related"]WTC 2 "Flight 175" Approach (Not a Missile) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a single video has ever surfaced that shows the sinking of the titanic. It must not have sunk.
     
  9. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Why should I?....YOU'VE been doing that
     
  11. 7forever

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    Techmac's digital attempt at computer generated imagery was assinine. Note that it has no right wing and the left wing and engine dislodge right after it gets below the copyright. It convienently zooms in preventing view of the faux image between the towers. WB11 didn't get its first plane morph until 9:27 and the similarities between the two are profound.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_g7X7WFSwg&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=93&feature=plpp_video"]2nd Plane Impact: Techmac - YouTube[/ame]
     
  12. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Honestly,I'm not sure if you're watching the same videos you post....the left wing did not 'dislodge',and again the video was so distorted it's hard to tell what is what
     
  13. BullsLawDan

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    Are we still talking about this?

    How has this wingnut responded to the fact that tens of thousands of people saw the attacks live, in person, and none of them who were able to describe what they saw described anything other than the commercial flights that struck the buildings.

    10 years, and not ONE person has stepped forward saying they saw an "orb" or anything else.

    Answer THAT, and then we can have a discussion about video. I am disgusted by people, living in (*)(*)(*)(*)ty flyover states, who have obviously never even been to NYC, essentially calling every New Yorker who was a part of that tragedy a liar. Shut. The. (*)(*)(*)(*). Up.
     
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    You aren't posting about anything important and never have, concerning 911.

    You are a wingnut and a simple denialist who has zero evidence that any commericial jet impacted either tower because not a single video shows a UA or AA 767. There were not tens of thousands of people who saw the attacks on the ground, THAT IS A LIE. Hundreds of millions of people in this world saw cgi's of black planes on TV and simply accepted that nonsense without further inspection. 10 years and not ONE video has surfaced showing a real plane in the area of the twin towers. The orb appears in four live broadcasts, making eyewitnesses irrelevant for the orb's reality.

    Answer THAT and then we can have a discussion about your delusions. I pity the fools who continue to deny reality.
     
  15. countryboy

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    You are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. How dare you ask anyone to answer anything, when you yourself pick and choose which questions to answer.

    You still have not answered the technical questions about the silly compressed gif images you incessantly post. I don't blame you, the answers would be devastating to your silly "theory", if you can even call it a theory. :roll:

    So, while we're playing tit for tat. Why don't you produce a witness who actually saw the "orbs"?
     
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    There were not tens of thousands of people who saw the attacks on the ground, THAT IS A LIE.tens of thousands watched in buildings around the WTC and on the ground as well as the plane hit tower two.....in fact a lot of them either videotaped it or took still images of it dispelling your fantasy of 'cgi' images
     
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    tens of thousands watched in buildings around the WTC and on the ground as well as the plane hit tower two.....in fact a lot of them either videotaped it or took still images of it dispelling your fantasy of 'cgi' images
     
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    There were over 2 million people on Manhattan Island at the time, and several million more within the surrounding 5-mile radius. Once the first plane hit, everyone in that radius was staring at the twin towers and trying to see what was going on.

    To say that any conspiracy could lie about what hit those towers doesn't even insult the intelligence, it doesn't even touch the intelligence.



    Fall in a burning puddle of AIDS.
     
  19. 7forever

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    There were over 2 million people on Manhattan Island at the time and several million more within the surrounding 5-mile radius. Once the first plane hit, most witnesses either saw no plane or reported a small plane for the south tower, totally inconsistent with a 767. Can you show one piece of news footage that shows a boeing 767? It has to look at exactly like this and no you cannot show one because there were no planes for either tower recorded on video or still photography.

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    To say the government and media told the truth on 911 insults basic intelligence and common sense, it doesn't approach any semblance of reality.

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  20. 7forever

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    Millions of people saw many different fake planes impact tower 2 on TV, none of which were anything but silly fakes. In fact a lot of them videotaped the orb but all or most were altered by the goverment before being returned to them. Your childish fantasy of cgi images being real planes is debunked by reality.:bored:
     
  21. Fangbeer

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    So you're not going to answer any of the questions I posted about the images you posted?
     
  22. 7forever

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    WB11's, wackadoodle coverage of a flying bomb and failed computer graphics

    She first described it as what might be a police helicopter and after she realized it caused the explosion, changed her thoughts in that moment. These women literally got trapped in the twilight zone. If it wasn't a helicopter, (no propeller) it certainly could not have been a plane. She simply repeated what it was supposed to be, but the orb was shown at least six more times and was described as a plane or twin engine jet.

    The first computer generated image was first shown only one minute after the last orb. You can see the time change to 9:27. The fake image is so poor that it has no wings and two dots for engines. Notice how the orb moves eastward and the cgi more north.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKj0H2fCpo4&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=30"]9/11 Second Impact (Flight 175) WPIX - Live - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIyGEDvG9KQ&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=34"]WPIX (WB11) 9/11 9:21 - 9:31 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Is it ALL or MOST?

    If it was most, then there must be some videotape evidence of the orb of decent resolution still available. Why has it not been posted on YouTube?

    Why haven't any of these people come forward with a really slick anonymous YouTube documentary describing how they videotaped the orb but the government took their tapes and added a fake plane to their video before giving it back to them?

    Why didn't AT LEAST ONE OF THEM make a copy of their orb videotape before giving it to the government? Many of these HAD to be digital cameras right?
     
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    I wonder why 7forver refuses to answer my questions about computer graphics?

    Could it be that he has no background knowledge of computer imaging?

    Could it be that his speculation regarding CGI images is completely wrong due to this lack of knowledge?

    Not only can it be, but it is.

    7forever does not have evidence for CGI in his animated GIF images. His refusal to answer my questions simply underscores his false premise.
     
  25. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's make some assumptions about the images that 7Forver provides, despite his lack of forthrightness about their origin.

    First, I can tell that he used gifsoup to created some of his animated gif images. This means that his gifs originate from youtube's .FLV container files. If the videos were uploaded at the time they were shot, they were 320x240 and used the Sorenson Spark codec. This is very low quality video, using a very high level of compression.

    At best, 7forever's source files were re-uploaded from the original media source in 1080p H.264/MPEG-4 AVC well after 2001. (1080p didn't become available on Youtube until 2009) This is doubtful, but possible. Regardless we know that his images have been filtered multiple times, and have undergone multiple types of image compression.

    Even in the best format possible on YouTube, we're still looking at some pretty highly compressed video. MPEG-4 is basically a series of .JPG compressed images. JPG is a lossy compression format. This means that in order to compress the image, information from the image is thrown out and replaced with different information. In the JPEG format, samples are taken from regions of the image, pixels in that region are averaged, and their originals colors are replaced with the product of that average. This process can sometimes result in the creation of artifacts or weird spots and patches in the image that stand out as being incorrect or out of place. This type of compression alone can explain 7forever's "orbs" as he calls them.

    Even worse, the MPEG video was then compressed again using the .GIF format. .GIF is an outdated 8 bit format that only supports a 256 color pallet. Colors outside of the pallet are created using dithering. Dithering is the use of varying the color of pixels in a pattern that fools the eye into thinking the pattern represents a single different color. Think magazine print. If you look closely at the print in magazines, you'll see that the colors are made from multicolored dots that are different from the color that you actually see when your eye views the image at a distance.

    The fact that his content has been compressed using the .gif format, and the mpeg format is enough to prove that what you see on this web page is vastly different then what the original film cameras saw, and even more vastly different from what people on the ground saw with their own eyes.

    The next time 7forever tells you that he's showing you live footage, make sure you call him on his lie.
     
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