Why are we, as conservatives, so against immigration reform?

As a little background I am a very conservative man. One issue that I have never agreed with however is that immigration reform is wrong. I strongly believe that if we made it very easy for these immigrants to live and work and pay taxes in the US it would solve MOST, if not all of the valid issues that people have with immigration reform. I don't necessarily believe that they should become citizens so easily, bu they should be able to work and live here without being treated like animals.

 

I have to differ with you there. "We" didn't make it easy for them to come here, the government officials that we pay to protect us failed to enforce the existing immigration laws and the businesses that hired them did. Read the actual law and see if much if any has actually been enforced.

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/PUBLAW/HTML/PUBLAW/0-0-0-10948.html

Illegal aliens are for the most part uneducated (not many Hi Tech educated immigrants sneaking across the border), and qualify for only the lowest paying jobs. Making them legal with children will qualify for not only numerous government programs (medicaid, section 8 housing, food stamps and WICS) as well as the wage earned qualifying for the maximum earned Income Credit which in most cased gets that low income tax payer a larger refund than they actually paid in. Add that to the aforementioned government programs and you now have a HUGE drain on the real tax paying public. It's a very bad idea. Please read the 1996 Immigration Reform Act and ask if you or I had the enforcement responsibility. We paid the government workers to look out for our best interest and they let us down completely, that fact alone shouldn't give the ones who found it easy to break the law and take the easy way, a free pass. Coming here illegally was a bad decision on their part and we as taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay for their bad decisions.

Example: Several years ago I bought an expensive fuel injection part for my cat that wasn't returnable. Turns out, at the time, I just needed to clean the old one. Turns out now I need the part and simply can't find it after I moved form one house to another. I stubbornly kept driving the car while looking for that over $300 part. I finally broke down and bought another one. The consequence was I will now need a $ 600 catalytic converter before I emissions test it again in 2 years. Should you be forced to pay for part of that expense because I made a bad decision and the smog regulations say I need a new one?

Besides, it factually and morally unfair to the folks in a foreign country patiently waiting to immigrate here legally. It was their bad decision to come here illegally, they must be made to face the consequences of those action. Additionally, if they are working for anything but cash under than table, they had to have broken one or more of the following laws.

Will these laws be enforced? In order for an illegal to hold a regular job they had to have broken one or more of the Laws above, will they be prosecuted? If not will American citizens punished for breaking any of the laws above be granted clemency and be paid reparations? What possible justification would there be other than racism would there be for granting Latino's amnesty for breaking the same laws American citizens were punished for?

1) who's going to investigate ALL those people and most importantly, how much will it cost? Considering how many have multiple ID's and SSN's.

2) What about all the laws they've broken just to work here, many are Felonies, will they be given amnesty for them too? Are we a land of laws and prosecute them for the laws they have broken or give the the boot?

 

Secure the southern Border ( For Real) then Deportation of criminal Illegals would be a nice start . (As a Conservative this is most Important issue )

 

Republicans like to sell goods cheaper than any other country. That's capitalism. To make as much profit as possible with as little outlay as possible.

To achieve the aim it is necessary to employ people for next to nothing while obtaining from the government as much as possible in subsidies (such as over $20b a year to farmers) while claiming it's the fault of the Democrats that the country is going to pot because people who are unemployed do not want to find work, notwithstanding that the very same employers of illegals wouldn't dream of employing the unemployed for fear of increased outlay costs.

 

I'm all for immigration reform. I want us to return to a more selective system based not in compassion and social justice, but in pragmatism for what is good for the country as a whole.

We need to form incentives to draw people from developed 1st world nations like Europe and Australia, Japan and China. We have to get rid of the entire "give me your poor, your tired, your hungry, your unwashed masses yearning to be free" value system on which our immigration is based.

We do not need more unwashed masses incapable of competing in the local, regional and global marketplace. Our goal should be to drain the brains of every developed or developing nation on earth, like we used to do and lock out the rest.

We should be incentivizing the best in the world to abandon their nations of origin and come here. We should be competing brutally with an eye towards destroying our competitor nations mercilessly through the draining of their most valued resource, their best, most motivated minds.

The way I see it, we should limit our immigration down to only those who hold a college degree, and none others. That should be the primary criteria upon which we base our immigration.

 

So the use of work visas and a reasonable enforcement deterrent at the border might work? How silly.

 

Illegal immigration has been a sore spot of mine for many years here in Arizona. I am not against making a law that would permit a person coming into this country and working legally on many jobs. Although I am against them working jobs Americans can and will do. We did that back in the 1950's. Allow them to go back and forth across the border to see their families when they have a day off, or a break. Have them work under our government regulations, where they have to be paid at least a minimum wage, safe working conditions, etc. Have it so they can pay taxes. But they would not become citizens. They would have to leave after so many years and allow others to also come in and work.

As for those that have been here for many years. We can't throw them all out. Those that have been here for at least 5 years should be given a chance to become citizens. But they would have to have a clean criminal record. They would have to pay back taxes, and learn our language.

But we also must secure our Southern border first.

 

Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. One lady from California had 81 people in 17 states using hers and this isn't a unique story. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate or non issued users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. Enforcement had a ripple effect back in 2006 when IFCO (wooden palette maker) got caught in a Government sting. A local area electronics maker fired 88 employees that couldn't produce a valid SSN and they weren't under scrutiny by ICE. The jobs were quickly filled with citizens. E-Verify must become manditory, no exceptions and used to verify citizenship for any government benefits. Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with forged paperwork and they will go home on their own.

This is a simple cost effective way to open up several million existing jobs to citizens out of work. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process.

 

No reform is needed. All that is required is to enforce existing law for legal immigration. All who are illegal are criminals and should be deported. Who cares if it busts up families? I don't. If they had come here legally they would not have a problem. Consequences to bad behavior sucks, but having illegal aliens being parasites on a system thet they do not contribute to sucks more.

 

How do you pry them off the welfare nipple?

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I don't want to see America become Balkanized.

Although I think it's interesting that there's so much focus on illegal immigration when we're letting in over a million legal immigrants in each year. Does nobody else think that it's way too much?

 

I'm a conservative and I support completely open borders.

 

A modern day "Trail of Tears" (But with Airconditiond busses & Free Southwest Airlines flights to Zacatecas and a plastic Parachute ( Fixed ammount buy off credit card for taking the deportation deal for each Man woman & Child).

 

By immigration reform I assume what you are not referring to is actual immigration reform and instead are referring to amnesty for illegals. We've tried that in the 80's; legalize a couple million illegals and in return we would get border enforcement. Instead, we just got the couple million of illegals.

So lesson learned.

I'm in favor of legal immigration and think letting the right ones in (educated with skills our economy needs) would be a great benefit to our economy. But the political preference is for uneducated peasants with no education or technical skills. I'm of the opinion that American high schools generate all of the uneducated, unskilled labor this country will ever need. We don't need to import it.

 

Professor Peabody,,, you have once again stepped off the wrong foot. Not all immigrants are illegals.

If you do just a little research, you'll find illegals are only a very small proportion of people entering America.

 

Genius. +Rep

 

Simple solution to all of this...JAIL THE LAWBREAKING EMPLOYERS. The "job creators". You'll see it drop to almost nothing if you throw a few of these bums in jail.

 

Indeed, who cares if it busts up families?

If some company CEOs, Human Resource managers, and supervisors end up in jail for a few years for hiring illegals, their family can come and visit them twice a month!

 

Show me your research. When I was dealing with this subject in 2006 there were years where over a million illegals were crossing. You say it's a small portion, link please.

The last Senate Bill, you know the one the Democrat candidates support mandated the government teach every illegal English, so I assume there would be some testing procedure. Who would teach them English and who would pay for it. That sounds really expensive to me.

The last Senate Bill, you know the one the Democrat candidates support mandated they pay a fine. How much would the one zillion and one court challenges to that one would cost? That sounds really expensive to me.

The last Senate Bill, you know the one the Democrat candidates support mandated they pay back taxes. Many of these folks used multiple stolen or forged social security numbers to gain employment. How big of an army of accountants do you think it would take to sort that 12 million man and woman mess out? That sounds really expensive to me.

The Democrat candidates carp about bringing the law abiding out of the shadows. Using forged or stolen documents to gain employment is a Felony so is falsifying income tax documents. Do they intend to prosecute them for these crimes any American citizen would go to jail for? How much would that cost to jail them? That sounds really expensive to me.

What about the criminal background checks. Since most were using forged or false identification, how do you sort out who is who? How big of an Army of background investigators would it take to get the job done? That sounds really expensive to me.

Face it the Democrats support full on Amnesty for illegals for all crimes committed. The problem is to enforce the "new" immigration reform bills would be SO expensive it will become a "let's not and say we did" situation and all that is left is pure amnesty.

 

tghey are not being treated like animals.

free public education
free reduced lunches at schools
free health caare at clinics
no income taxes

 

In my opinion, we should simply, just be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws. What is wrong with Regulating well, that form of Commerce among the several States of the Union, simply for the sake of morals and that form of moral absolutism?

A market friendly work visa could provide a permanent solution to our illegal problem, via Commerce instead of the coercive use of force of a State, or the denial and disparagement of of our individual liberty and natural rights.

A market friendly work visa could function as a public sector means of production and generate revenue that could defray the cost of government and potentially subsidize unemployment compensation for US labor, that conforms to the concept and legal doctrine of employment at will.

How much will some Great Walls of America cost?

 

Republican Farmers in Alabama and Georgia lost about $200 million in crops that couldn't be harvested.

We need immigration reform that includes guest workers.

 

HAHAHA. America already allows more legal immigration than any country in the world. so stop complaining that we make it too tough on immigrants.

BTW - you are not a conservative. Just another liberal claiming to be a con.

 

But obama has announced he won't deport the illegals here unless they commit a major crime. So once these "guest workers" are here, they can stay forever.

 

We need immigration reform NOT piecemeal immigration reform. There's no political will for it among Dems or Repubs.