If JFK had lived, the US would be the most beloved and respected Nation in the World.

I look at the Z film too, and I see no such bullet. All I see is the bullet going in (making a relatively small entry wound, similar to the wound in his neck), but taking a lot of brain out on the other side. I know a vid which shows a recreation which verifies that pieces of head go backwards after such a shot. I'd dig it up if I thought you were going to watch it.

If you look at other clips of bullets hitting things in slow-motion (there are lots on youtube), you see that the bullet doesn't push the target forwards very much, but pushes matter out of the way and the target explodes in every direction. If such an explosion happens inside a scull, it will push the relatively intact back of the head further back, sending both head and free parts thereof backwards, whereas the part that goes forwards goes through the larger exit wound and doesn't push anything.

Besides, what do you mean by it's not conspiratorial? You propose that someone shot from another direction than Oswald, suggesting more than one person, yet you don't think they were in a conspiracy?

Meh, I don't come to this forum because I think I can sway the minds of those who think differently from me, I come here to discuss interesting questions. It doesn't really matter to me weather the questions are important or not.

Besides, why would I talk about your economy? Ours is working just fine.

 

Oswald was not working with the other shooters.

Thus, no conspiracy.

 

I was standing in the checkout line at the A&P Supermarket in Connecticut. I can't tell you the number of folks that actually cheered. Believe me the Camel Lot bunch was rather reviled where I lived. We knew them for what they were. The Brothers Grim were a bunch drunken philanderers. John F got us into the Vietnam war ostensible for a piece of Vietnamese tail. Having an alleged affair with Marilyn Monroe, rubbing Jackie's nose in it. Teddy was apparently drunk according to the evidence and drove his car off a bridge leaving a girl to drown in the dark to save his own political career. That piece of human excrement deserves a very special place in hell for what' he's done. So please tell me what was so special about the Camel Lot?

 

JFK was an incompetent President who was very unpopular at the time he was President. His image was improved when he was assassinated.

 

The part I like the best is when he grabs at his neck like his tie is too tight.

Anyone know who in the Car Oswald had a vendetta against and why?

 

Where was I? Hmmm...I think I'll adopt the George Bush answer and say "I really don't remember where I was that day". (Those new scanner thingys are really neat too!).
JFK was our last real POTUS.

 

You should love GWB then, they both got us into unnecessary wars.

 

7th grade and upon maturing his aurora wore off rather quickly. He blew it in the pacific and should have been taken to a court martial. He lost both his boat and some crewmen by not following SOP for ELCO boats. He whored around as much as Bubba Clinton and really blew it with his idiot brother going after the mob. The same mob that put him in office blew his ass away, bit by his own dog you might say.

 

Oswald was an ignorant patsy. With any killing there has to be motive. I'd like to hear Oswald's motive for killing Kennedy. During the Korean War Oswald was in the Marines. He deserted and defected to Russia. It didn't take long for Lee Harvey to figure out the communist heaven was really hell. He wrote to the Secretary of the Navy asking for leniency if he returns to the U.S. Then Secretary of the Navy John Connally wrote back a harsh letter telling Oswald if he returns to the States he will be tried and executed as a deserter. Texas Governor John Connally was riding in Kennedy's car sitting ahead of John F in the jump seat that day in Dealey Plaza. Human nature dictates Connally, not Kennedy was Oswalds target, I'll leave it up to all of you to decide if there were more shooters or Lee Harvey was just a crappy shot.

 

ahhh but the thing is though the z clip was altered.we know that to be true because this one researcher in dallas who for years has done lots of research on the case and has viewed the zapruder film literally HUNDREDS of times over the years,sometime in the early 90's he made a discovery that he had overlooked all those years which is if you watch how everybody reacts on the opposite side of where zapruder is standing,you see a girl in a white sweater running and waving her hand at Jfk and many in the crowd jumping up and waving their hands as well.

Yet when you look at all the people on the grassy knoll where zapruder is standing and filming,everybody is completely still not waving at all,not moving a muscle.the large grouping of people prior to the Stemmons sign are mostly unmoving, totally unrealistic with normal crowds behavior upon seeing Jackie and JFK. He also consulted with other photographers and they all agree that the z film has been altered and they have also said that the blood going forward is fake as well.All I can tell you is that you have not done your homework or you would know all of this.again everytime i saw that officer shoot that melon all five times,the force of the bullet made all that gunk in the melon fly FORWARDS EVERYTIME.

You have never tried this experiment obviously or you would know all this.see for years reseachers concluded that the z film was the smoking gun to the JFK case but after that photographer pointed out the inconsistancys in the crowd,they no longer consider the z film the smoking gun anymore since it was obviously altered.everything except JFK'S head going backwards of course.when you decide to do some serious research sometime,pm me and we'll talk sometime.till then,no sense in going any further with this.Like I said,i saw with my own eyes what happens everytime you shoot a watermelon and like i said,its so obvious from that guys tone he was paid off to show that propaganda.

 

you nailed it everything you said in the first paragraph.Plus all the doctors all agreed it was an entrance wound to the front on the head in the forehead so there is really no debate on where the head shot came from.

 

And it looks like Johnson's mistress "spilled the beans".


http://ahabit.com/mistress

The mistress always knows everything.

 

also there was never a shread of evidence that oswald did it.even Jesse Curry the police chief of dallas concluded in later years that he was under pressure by his superiours to say that oswald did it so he did.However in 1967 he changed his tune saying they could not place him in the sixth floor window.

 

also there was never a shread of evidence that oswald did it.even Jesse Curry the police chief of dallas concluded in later years that he was under pressure by his superiours to say that oswald did it so he did.However in 1967 he changed his tune saying they could not place him in the sixth floor window.the case against oswald is the most laughable in the history of the world.

We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand."

—Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, quoted by United Press International, November 5, 1969

so much for the THEORY that oswald was the lone assassin.

 

oh brother here we go again.another example of how our corrupt school system has brainwshed americans.No shame in accepting it they brainwashed me for a long time on it as well till I find out the TRUE facts that kennedy INHERITED the war that Eisenhower developed the plans to esculate it in his last year in office,then when Kennedy got elected,he discontiuned what Eisnehower got started and then after his assassination,LBJ got us into the war.even the lamestream media has admitted that Kennedy only sent in ADVISORS and never combat troops when in office.why is everybody around here ignorant to that fact? sheesh.

there is this book that documents all of this that everybody here should read,its the best book out there on the assassination called JFK. WHY HE WAS KILLED AND WHY IT MATTERS.MUST READ BOOK!!!!!

 

and the ignorant posts continue.

 

what unnecessay war did JFK get us in,you talking about the bay of pigs? because i have proven in spades here contrary to the ignorance of many posters here,he inherited vietnam from Ike who drew up the plans to esculate the war,JFK did not follow them,he only sent in advisors.LBJ DID follow them and was the one who got us into vietnam.

 

Hate to break your heart but there was never a shread of evidence that oswald was the shooter.He was an agent working for the CIA which is why he wasnt prosecuted the moment he stepped off and came back to the united states like he SHOULD have been.

 

The lone nut theorists of course wont watch it since it shreads to pieces that oswald was the lone assassin. they of course will cover their eyes as well and wont read what Police Chief Jesse Curry said back in 1967 below either.

We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand."

—Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, quoted by United Press International, November 5, 1969

so much for the THEORY that oswald was the lone assassin

 

I had the luxury of meeting and interviewing her and ask her questions,she was telling the truth.RFK himself according to the news photographer that took the photo of RFK slamming his clipboard sometime after the assassination against a panel that Johnson was leaning on,according to him,RFK said to him-why did you kill my brother god (*)(*)(*)(*) you? and Jackie according to what I have read recently,there are tapes out now where she says on there she has suspecions that LBJ was behind it all.

LBJ appointed the warren commission members himself,it was a presidential investigation,it was never a serious investigation.It was created to support the already official version of the media,it wasnt created to investigate anything.the fact that LBJ who had more to gain than anybody from the assassination,that he was never investigated,proves what a joke of an investigation the warren commission was in the first place.

whats interesting about that piece you posted is it shows the connection of Nixon being involved as well since E Howard Hunt was a CIA operative of Nixons while he was vice president under Eisenhower.Nixon ran covert CIA operations that Eisenhower never knew about.Its also interesting that Nixon and Hunt are the only two men that were alive back then who could never recall where they were that day.Nixon lied saying he was never in dallas that day when photographs showed that he was at a pepsi cola convention being held in dallas early that day. Nixon if he were pinochio,his nose would have grown thousands of miles long.he did not know what the word truth meant.

This is a great video on LBJ'S mistress talking about that as well.Its just a five minute version of partly what she discusses,[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y"]LBJ's Mistress Blows Whistle On JFK Assassination - YouTube[/ame]


she REALLY gets into all the juicy details in the hour and a half version.

 

This thread needs to moved to the conspiracy section, the tinfoilers come out of their holes whenever JFK is mentioned. Send them back down to the bowls of PF where they belong, move the thread.

 

thanks for proving the truth scares you. Do the cowardly convient thing.Throw childish insults instead of trying to refute the facts.oh and a mod has already come on here and posted so your not going to get your wish.

these posters below on their comments from that video,hit the nail right on the head.here they are.my thumbs up to thier great posts.


The night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that "those SOB's" would never embarrass him again. It's a jaw-dropping deposition and it's the biggest JFK smoking gun there is


JFK was was removed from earth, so that LBJ and his CIA friends could have a blast in Vietnam. DRUGS AND WAR = CA$H. Lied to the Troops and lied to the people. LBJ Hope you're Burning and screaming for eternity.

I think that Oswald was just a tool used by the CIA. I have no doubt that there were other shooters and that the CIA and other high ranking officials wanted Kennedy gone because he was going to pull out of Vietnam and dismantle the CIA. He openly stated that the CIA were "a law unto themselves". Also, after the Bay of Pigs disaster, survivors were told that it was his fault for not providing air support and wanted him dead as well.

1)Motive 2)Means 3)Opportunity 4)Who has the power to cover it up?
Only 1 man, and 1 man ALONE, fits ALL 4 criteria, and it sure as hell ain't Oswald.


You can see LBJ practically confessing his part in the conspiracy, on another video. "... others that might have been involved".
LBJ is on tape admitting his part in the conspiracy to assassinate President Diem of South Vietnam on Nov 1 63, just 21 days before the JFK assassination. "So we killed him. We all got together and got a god(*)(*)(*)(*) bunch of thugs and assassinated him".
Those who doubt the JFK conspiracy happened are the fools.

LBJ, I hope hell is worth it you dirty son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). You killed a good man, quite possibly what could have been the best president ever. (*)(*)(*)(*) YOU LBJ!

when start reading about texas in early 60's - right wing state. extremist john birch society, state powerbrokers murchison & hunt both extreme right & patrons of johnson, even hoover close & had shares in murchison oil, military aviation producers based there - etc. is clearly one place in USA that secret cervice should advised kennedy against & if went advise bulletproof car with canopy. if any state at time could have covered up conspiraracy it was texas.


After the car driven by the "alleged" killer of MLK was located, a piece of paper with a name and a phone number was found in it. The FBI agent who discovered it did not give it to his supervisor. That agent and another person checked it out.
The phone number was tracked to a building in Dallas TX. The same building where the Carousel Club was located. The same Carousel Club that was previously operated by Jack Ruby

 

From what I see in the Z film, the people on the opposite side aren't moving that much either. There is the one running girl, but there are no little girls on the other side, so we can't take that as a reference. Other than that, there are two guys who appear to have been standing on the road and are being told off by the police. Again, the number of people standing in the middle of the road in front of a presidential convoy is probably small, no reason to believe that anyone should be shown to be shoved the other way. And from the best clip I've seen, if there was, they'd be outside of the frame. Then there is one waving guy. To me, he seems to have a crutch and can't clap, but I can't vouch for that. That would be a possible reason why he doesn't clap. Even if he doesn't, I wouldn't base my argument on the notion that others should be waving if he does. Everyone else is clapping, which doesn't move the back, so it wouldn't be visible from the people whose backs we see on the other side of the road. However, we can see moving shadows, including those of clapping hands (against the brown and pink jackets), the man in the hat's head is turning and so does the head of one of the people with white head-somethings. Your reasoning is comparing the closer line of people to four people out of which at least three seem to move for reasons the people on the other side don't have. Edit: The Muchmore and Nix films also show people standing quite still and not really doing much cheering either.

That being said, I don't know much about the Kennedy assassination. I'm sure you know more about most theories than I ever will. For all I know, this could be Frank Sinatra's nephew's wedding tape, the Soviet army artillery could have amassed on the grassy knoll and he might have been force fed a firecracker, I wouldn't know. That's why I have made no other claims than that what is seen in the clip is not impossible or even incredible under the circumstances. That goes for both the head movement and the Z clip. Sure the clip might be false, but the argument you provide to prove it is not enough. Sure, he might have been shot from the knoll or the driver's seat or whatever, but the head movement in the clip is not unphysical.

I still don't find the point in falsifying the entire row of audience. What, was the killer standing around in the audience waving a gun?

I appreciate your concern that the video I posted could have been fabricated, but surely, you don't expect me to take your word over it? Besides, your "researcher" friend probably did shoot those melons and they probably went the way you describe it, because the possibility I have pointed out only works with certain bullets and with a proper skull. You might see in my vid that they wrap the melon in tape to act as a skull. This is because the expanding brain tissue must bounce off something harder than itself, or the rest of the head (melon) will just break and go off in every direction, leaving none of the jet effect I was talking about.

I have not performed the experiment, but I understand the physics behind it. I don't assume your friend had proper skulls on his melons (wow, that has got to be one of the weirdest sentences I have ever written).

As mentioned earlier, I'm not here to discuss the finer points of what different conspiracies relate to what conclusions in what ways. I saw arguments relating to what happens when one gets hit by a bullet, and that is what I've been discussing. I have also in this post argued against the notion that any alteration of the Z film is obvious.

Also, where is the "obvious" in your claim that everything _but_ the head movement is altered?

I looked up this Dallas researcher of yours (who lives in Australia). His claims have no other backing than his personal word, and he has a history of claiming things with confidence without proper research (apparently, he found what he thought was microphones and threw a tantrum about that, the microphones turned out to be rain meters). Forgive me if I don't take his word for "obvious".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_o...#Dwight_D._Eisenhower_.281953.E2.80.931961.29
November 1963 — By this time, Kennedy had increased the number of military personnel from the 900 that were there when he became President to 16,000 just before his death.

900<16,000 Kinda pisses that theory away. LBJ BTW was the real author of VN.

From 16,000 troops at the end of the Kennedy Administration, the U.S. commitment grew to 184,000 troops by the end of 1965 and reached a peak of 537,000 in the last year (196 of the Johnson Administration. In a sense, this was a "back door" escalation. There were no dramatic national addresses in which the public was "called to war." In fact, the troop increases were typically announced at mid day with little or no fanfare.

 

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but they know so much that isn’t so. - Ronald Reagan, Rendezvous with Destiny, October 27, 1964

No truer words........