Israel; Iran has no bomb program.

The Russians have succeeded in making the Sunnis of Syria hate them with a passion. The Sunnis will ultimately win. Islamism will defeat Baathism. Then the Russians will have no friends in Syria.

 

"not willing to be lead to the slaughter"? That is very curious being that the governments of The United Snakes, I mean States like playing with "meat-grinders" which often leads to American soldiers, civilians as well as soldiers and civilians of other nations to be slaughtered by its hands and the hands of its murderous allies.

 

"Yet still there are those Bloody minded, Paranoids here about
who continue to insist on ramping this disfunctional World
into a Bloody Conflict that may very well spell humanities Doom"

The above will never happen. At most, those who are aggressors, i.e., The United States, England, Israel and dictators/governments who are supported by those first entites will meet their miserable and just end as did the aggressors of old. To state that 'the world will come to an end' at the hands of them (aggressors) is given them entirely too much credit. Whether people want to believe this or not, Allah will not allow it. He has allowed these beasts to grow in order to take them down and show all, who The God or Alamin is and it is not those said "powers" whom many worship through fear as well as adoration.

 

lol...misconstruing the material again moon?

 

SO I read the not too comprhensive aritcle and how shocking it was to find out China and Russia have significant economic and diplomatic ties to Iran. This is the same rationale that Russia and Iran cling to in their support of the despot Assad in Syria. What the article doesnt touch on is the fact that Russia and China both agree with the reasoning for the sanctions....Iran is enriching uranium against the wishes of the IAEA and the UNSC. Irans inability to prove their intentions are peaceful weighs heavily on the mind of all involved. If I had many interests in Iran Id do all I could prevent military action ,which,ideally, the support of meaningful sanctions should do. Now I have no investments in Iran but I like China and Russia do endorse sanctions to prevent war.

Is it your take from your article the basis for the sanctions arent corroborrated by Russia and China?

 

Russia and China DO have interests with Iran just as the United States has interests in Israel, South Africa, England, Poland, etc. My question is, "What of it?" All nations have their interests, some legitimate, while others are not legitimate. The subject of "enriching urainium" is not at all the issue. The issue is the monied interests of the Western world wanting their hands on Iran for the purposes of control. It is that simple.

 

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Secondly. thats fine if Iran is trading partners and ideologically similar to China and Russia...tho this isnt saying very much about them or China or Russia..all pillars of human rights.

Thirdly, the reason the Chinese and Russians sogned onto all SEVEN resolution pertaining to Iran is because Iran has in fact been in noncompliance,officially determined by the IAEA. What choice do they have? They can merely go thru the motions of the resolutions, doing as little as possible of what is required of them and certainly can abstain from independent unilateral or multilateral non UN actions...but the fact remains they both want Iran to be compliant and both realize Iran is not at the time be compliant.

Didnt Russia last week refund the Iranians for the S300 missile system contract they were forced scrap thanks to the sanctions?

 

Give it up, 'Relevant '. The absence of an active Iranian bomb program has also been confirmed by ISIS- a US government-funded independent group.;

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ont-pursue-nuclear-weapon-program-2012-a.html


Glug.

 

The report was created under the banner of the Director of the IAEA of whom we know that American accept him as "being in our court". That makes the mates in the gullibility sakes, not so? The report is based largely on "information" copied for the IAEA by 'Murka. The IAEA passed these copies and seems to believe that Iran should be overwhelmed by this stunning copied information. All of this information was provided to the IAEA by the 'Murkans. It comes from the "laptop of death" which neither Iran NOR the IAEA is allowed to see, because 'Murka won't let them.

'Murka sincerely believes that Iran should race to the negotiation table based on the above.

Now tell us again, Mr R, who is gullible and who is not?

 

I am sorry, Mr R. The Judge's post is crystal clear. He makes the brilliant point that since 1992 Israel has been crying "wolf". He draws an even more telling conclusion that 'Murka has been jerked at the end of Israel's "Wolf"-string all along. How could you not understand that.

So your response is a strawman. Not only is it a strawman, but take the trouble to read it again. I have read it 4 times and I still don't understand the logic - that bit just up there with the pale blue background - you read it. So I am afraid that you are also Señor Pot calling Mister Kettle black.

You are in no POSSIBLE position to SHOW that Iran is lying, for the following reasons:

# Concerning the first major evidence in the IAEA Nov 2011 report: Have YOU inspected the "laptop of death" and on that basis been in a position to pronounced the whole issue credible? No, of course you have not!! All that you do is to gullibly believe the IAEA that admitted copies are "credible". Since when are copies ever credible in such a sensitive case? Talk about incredulous!! So how can you claim to have shown this with such perspicuousness that you can justify attacking a sovereign country. I put it to you, Mr R, that you are a war-monger.

# Concerning the second major justification presented in the IAEA Nov 2011 report, have YOU found a reason why Iran should comply with the "Additional Safeguards" to which she is not a signatory, yet you use Israel's 'non-signatory' status of the NPT in Israel's defence. I put it to you, Mr R, that that one shows that you are a hypocrite.

# Concerning the third set of "evidence", namely the "suspect technologies" contained in the Annex which you refer to, have you produced separate evidence to show that the reasoning produced on this forum by Western experts that this technology is common in modern industry is false? Have you shown that the views of the ex-CIA inspector are lies? Have you shown that the very admission by the IAEA in that Nov 2011 report that such technology is not restricted to a nuclear weapons programme can be lightly overlooked? No you haven't, which makes your claim that Iran is lying, in itself, if not a lie, then at least a big fat con.

And since you continue to tout all three of these criteria in the face of having been shown their glaring weaknesses on many occasions, and then continue to claim that they represent justification for mega-serious incursions into Iranian territory, that makes you a .... a what, Mr R?

 

Yes, but voices spoke to him- probably in Hebrew.

 

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...er-timeframe-if-iran-decides-to-make-nuclear/

I let David Albright do the talking.......

 

The evidence of work on nuclear weaponization, is half-assed Zionspeak based upon third party 'contributions' and colored to portray threats in Iran's legitimate civil components program.

Again, 'Relevant ', your neoZionist propagandists state that Iran has NOT decided to build weapons , as does ISIS, the US of AIPAC independent assessment group. You live in a paranoid world of 'maybe' and ' what if ' and act according to instruction from the Zionist propaganda machinery. Your problem is that the machinery has stated that there IS NO WEAPONS PROGRAM. I wouldn't care to be in your flippers.

 

If youve read it 4 times and you still think the only thing is question about Irans nuclear program are the dual use properties of the program then Id have to say you havent read it. If youve read it and think the IAEA is only relying on the laptop,then once again Id have to say youre not being honest about having read it.

The IAEA is the body expressing serious concerns about Iran and more or less calling them dishonest, obtrusive and evasive....they must remain diplomatic, I on the other hand do not. Iran is lying.

Iran has actually agreed and signed the Additional protocol sport...what they havent done is ratify it. They are the only NPT country with a nuclear program not have done so. What does that say about the Iranians? At every turn the Iranians say one thing and do another..and you wonder why I call the regime liars? Israel has nothing to do with this conversation, Israel said we will not sign it and hasnt signed it. Iran has signed the NPT, has signed the AP and therefore are subject to it regulations and terms.

If theres nothing to hide then why are they hiding?

 

Israel has 200-400 covert nuclear weapons and Iran has none. You are looking in the wrong direction....but then...MOSSAD and ISIS have already told you that. Your stale rhetoric just gets more rancid with usage.

 

Iran doesnt have any Im pretty sure. They have a weapons program however, which is what is in question.

Moving the goalposts is progress...its better than straight denial I guess.

 

You can't possibly enjoy digging in the semantic shadows for anything which saves your face in the light of two sources- one of them your holy MOSSAD- which state that IRAN HAS NOT DECIDED TO MAKE A BOMB. You also can't possibly enjoy having your ' logic ' ridiculed when you then attempt to claim that there IS a bomb program without any Iranian decision to build one.


Glug.

 

Tell you what, add to your list of the two above, the "additional protocol" rants. Fair enough ? (see my next post in this thread on that topic)

Now, how about delivering the results of your claim as to my 'dishonesty'. How? By stripping all three of those ludicrous issues out of the Nov 2011 IAEA report. I mean get rid of all illusions to the phantasmic laptop which no-one is allowed to examine / toss away the additional protocol which was not ratified / dump the dual-purpose usage which experts have laughed at .... and tell me, what are you left with?

No, I insist, lay an egg. You flung down a gauntlet by calling me dishonest, and I am now calling you out, in the town square, right in front of the main tavern, where everyone can hear.

You say that I am dishonest. Now show me .... once the 3 have been stripped out of the IAEA Nov 2011 report, WHAT DO YOU HAVE LEFT? Off you go. Waiting for you. And please. don't try any flurby "We find it credible" conclusions by the Director "Firmly in Our Court" of the IAEA. We need real facts here.

 

Im enjoying every second of this discussion, rest assured.

You criticizing someone for semantics...lol. It just keeps getting better.

They cant have a bomb program because they havent decided to put the ingredients of a bomb together yet...lol.

 

Tell you what, old chap (since we are becoming familiar), you say that Iran agreed the "Additional Standards" protocol but did not ratify it. Can you see a small inconsistency in what you wrote? No? OK, let us tease out this issue of approval/ratification instead of just surfing it superficially. Brace yourself.

Regarding this Standard protocol, may I remind you of the conclusions of the past 5 years of IAEA reports: The IAEA Secretariat "continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran." Got that? Good. Wait …. REALLY got that?

This means that Iran is in total compliance with its NPT responsibilities Yes? Mean it?

In December, 2003, Iran signed an “Additional Protocol” to her IAEA Safeguards Agreement. And, although not required to do so until the Iranian Parliament ratified it, Iran volunteered to act "in accordance with the provisions of the Additional Protocol, as a confidence-building measure." WOW!! That deserved a pat on the back, not so Mr R? Yes?

Then, in late 2004, Iran also entered into formal related negotiations with the Brits, French and Germans, hoping that, by providing "objective guarantees" to the European Union (going far beyond even those provided by the Additional Protocol) – that "Iran’s nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes," they could secure "firm guarantees" that the EU would resist pressure from Bush-Cheney-Bolton and provide Iran "firm commitments on security issues." They were trying to counter good ole “We Luv n’ r’spec ‘mocracy” Dubya, and “I am no Longer a Halliburton CEO” Cheyney. So what happened to this amazing offer?

The Iranians-Brits-French-Germans invited the IAEA to verify Iranian compliance with the voluntary suspension of certain Iranian Safeguarded activities for the duration of the negotiations.

So, in March 23, 2005 Iran offered a package of "objective guarantees" to the EU that included a voluntary "confinement" of Iran’s nuclear programs, to include:
# forgoing the reprocessing of spent reactor fuel;
# forgoing the production of plutonium;
# producing only the low-enriched uranium required for Iran’s power reactors;
# the immediate conversion of all enriched uranium to fuel rods.

The EU never even acknowledged this substantial Iranian offer, much less responded to it. Instead, on February 4, 2006, the IAEA Board of Governors outrageously exceeded its authorization by making demands of Iran whichwere far outside the existing protocols. You can research these for yourself. What a disgusting misuse of power!! I wonder who was doing the arm twisting?

Whoever it was presumably hoped that as a result Iran would withdraw from the NPT, itself, making its NPT-related Safeguards Agreement null and void. But, Iran merely announced it would – henceforth – revert to complying only with its basic Safeguards Agreement. It would not ratify the “Additional Protocol”.

And you, Mr R, point the finger of blame at Iran for not having ratified the Additional Protocol!! Talk about gullible!!

I can provide references from A to Z on all of the above, but I couln’t be arsed to. Anyone who pretends to understand Iran and the nuclear issue SHOULD be fully aware of all of this.

Here is a throw-away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran#2002.E2.80.932006 There are more than enough references in that section to give you access to real history.

So, Mr R, are you SURE that you want to blame Iran for not ratifying the “Additional safeguards” and concluding that it means that “Iran is lying”?

History will out!!

 

In your history lesson , did I miss you mention that Iran was found to be in noncompliance of the NPT agreements and subsequently the target of UN resolutions?

Those detailed in GOV/2003/75:

What kind of retard would give the regime the benefit of the doubt. The UN wants Iran to stop enrichment until they can account for years and years worth of duplicity.Thats whats always stopped any dealings..no matter how "generous". Iran wants that capability at all costs,whats the big deal? Cant make weapons without it thats why.

All this under the watchful eye of ElBaradei...lol.

Im going to be away until Tuesday but dont think I wont pick it up where we left off champ.

Youre fighting a losing battle.

 

What kind of social retard would believe it’s simply coincidence that all these “jews” just happened to be perfectly in place on 9/11? Patriots, why are these TRAITORS and ENEMY COMBATANTS still walking around free? http://tinyurl.com/JewsAmericasWorstEnemies

 

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WRONG
They have clearly stated, that Iran is NOT developing, NOR has it decided to develop a Nuclear Bomb

Perhaps you should ReRead those statements and the attending Articles again
.......................... lest you become even more Irrelevant than you already seem

Though I doubt even this will suffice, as you seem terminally glued to your Willfull Ignorance

You make your case look Sick, Sorry , Paranoid & Desperate to any Rational Mind
...... as we view your Absurd attempts to bend & pervert the simple word meaning


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BE INFORMED

The Malignant attempts to Initiate Brutal War become clear
when we trouble ourselves to become aware of the Lies & Machinations
being propagated buy the Filthy War Mongering clique now in control of Americas airways

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READ IT & WEEP

US/Israel: Iran NOT Building Nukes

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30358.htm


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Though, in all fairness & I am not aware of “klipkap’s” words

I would ask “cenydid” if it is fair to delete “klipkap’s” response
………………....... after being called a “retard” by Mr Relevant ?
………………....... & yet to leave the original INSULT in all its glory ?

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