Drive-By Shootings

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Uncle Meat, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair New Member

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    The difference is that the American woman will pull the trigger.

    By your own admission the Aussie won't, which will result in the gun getting taken away.

    The gun is only a tool. It is the willpower that is the key.
     
  2. Silverhair

    Silverhair New Member

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    Defining a child to be a human age 12 or under, our accidental death rate from firearms accidents is less than one child in a million children. I would say that is very safe.
     
  3. Uncle Meat

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    Why are you defining a child as age 12 or under?
     
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    Ayuh,... Because it's closer to the Truth than the Left sayin' a child is anybody under 26 years of age...
     
  5. ian

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    Most people unless they have been indoctrinated will not pull the trigger, that fact is not culturally exclusive. Its why they have to brainwash recruits in boot camp, even so in a battle situation up to 30 percent of soldiers would not pull the trigger on the enemy . Theres been some excellent studies done on this phenomenon. "The psychology of killing" is an excellent book on this matter and well worth reading.
     
  6. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    12 is the youngest a person can be and still be tried as an adult.

    14 would be a better age cutoff, since the legal definition of a child is anyone under the age of 14.

    The age chosen by the anti-gun groups in a blatant attempt to skew the numbers includes children, adolescents and even adults.

    If we are talking about children we have to speak only of people under 14. Including anyone older is just propaganda.
     
  7. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is true, in the average group of 100 people, only about 2 would actually pull the trigger.

    Modern military training pushes that number up a lot more, but even with that training not every soldier will pull the trigger when required - even to save their own lives.
     
  8. Silverhair

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    12 is usually pre-puberty. Puberty onset at age 13 is common. A child is a human who is pre-puberty.
     
  9. Silverhair

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    I notice that you have not answered my question about your accusation of cowardice. Am I being a coward because I am elderly and don't want to fight multiple young men, all at the same time?

    There are no firm statistics on what percentage of people could or could not shoot in self-defense. If you know that you can't do it, then a gun is NOT for you.
     
  10. Uncle Meat

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    14?

    According to which law, specifically?
     
  11. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was going off the definition at the legal dictionary. It is different from the term "minor" which means anyone under the age of majority.

    Regardless of the legal definition, in what insane world is a 19 year old a "child"?
     
  12. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Lets not forget the '15 kids killed daily' in the 90's was considering 18 and 19 year olds 'kids'
     
  13. Uncle Meat

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    Who said 'a child is anybody under 26' ?

    The 'age of majority' in most US states is 18.
     
  14. Uncle Meat

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    Mississippi
     
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    Yes and no.

    You're technically a minor here until you're 21 years old - meaning you can't buy liquor.

    But, you can enter into legally binding contracts, serve as executor of an estate, and sue and be sued at age 18.

    Basically, you're a minor until 21, unless specified otherwise in the statues.
     
  16. ian

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    I didnt accuse anyone of cowardice, I was accused of cowardice by another poster because I dont carry a firearm.

    Yes, there is, going right back to the civil war.
     
  17. Silverhair

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    Your post, #74: An argument could me made that because you depend on firearms for personal safety then your courage is lacking. Im happy to sort things out in the boxing ring, does that make make a coward?

    So if a couple of young male muggers are attacking me, am I supposed to invite them to meet me in a gym instead of shooting them?


    There may be studies of militaries but none of civilians.
     
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    No but you could think laterally and use something else for defence like kicking them in the nuts, or throwing something at them or even just beating them up with your handbag (and believe me you do NOT want to be hit with MY handbag!

    I would love to see a study looking at reaction times with citizens like the USA who are immersed in a belief system that says you are defenceless without a gun and Aussies that have grown up knowing that a weapon is anything we can but our hands, feet and in extreme cases arse muscles on.
     
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    An 18 year old who died on a street corner at 2 AM with drugs in his pocket is counted as a 'child' by gun control advocates.
     
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    That is false logic.

    To make a claim, then expect your opponet to prove it for you is a logical fallacy.
     
  21. Silverhair

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    Such studies have been made by the FBI and they have shown that victims have the least injuries if they use a gun to resist. Most defensive gun uses do not involve shots being fired. Almost the thug runs away when he learns that his target is armed. Thugs want easy victories so they are loathe to attack into effective resistance.

    Because they want easy victories they tend to target the elderly and often attacks in groups.

    If you are fortunate one day you too will be elderly and will discover that you don't have the speed and agility that you once had to try to kick a gang member.

    Defense with a gun depends strongly upon observing your surroundings and not letting yourself be surprised. First you would try to avoid the problem. Using the gun is for when you can't escape. When you spot possible trouble coming you slip your hand inside your clothing and onto your gun. The gun is still concealed but can be brought into play very quickly. If you wait until the attack actually starts before making any move then you likely won't be able to use the gun.
     
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    baloney....you kick a 250 pound mugger in the balls,myself,I don't carry a death wish,and I don't usually carry an object to throw at muggers while
    I'm walking down the street...you can take your 'belief system' nonsense and stick it.
     
  23. hiimjered

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    A swing of a handbag is incredibly easy to avoid. A kick often is as well. Even if you do connect, a little adrenaline or some heavy clothing will reduce the pain enough that the attacker will be able to continue the attack.

    Improvised weapons are good, and many people here train in their use. They may work in a pinch, but they aren't nearly as effective as a properly aimed bullet, and they aren't as good of a deterrent as a brandished gun.
     
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    The assie idea of self-defense is a bit amusing.
     
  25. SpotsCat

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    Hmmm... three young men accost me and my wife in the parking lot of the theater after a movie. Should I act like Bruce Lee or should I act like Clint Eastwood? Jackie Chan or John Wayne?

    Now I suppose I could find a weapon - a tire iron or baseball bat in the trunk of the car. I could probably use non-lethal force - pepper spray or a Taser - to subdue one of them. But that still leaves two others for me to deal with. I'm outnumbered, and at a disadvantage.

    But a pistol puts me in immediate command of the situation - all their youth and strength are meaningless compared to the deadly machine I now have in my hand. One on one, two on one, three on one, as high as eight on one - I am now in total command of the situation.

    So now the three young toughs who thought they'd make a little easy money from the old guy and his wife find out how bad the mistake they've just made is. They now have two choices - either back down, or escalate the situation to the point where someone gets shot.

    And if someone is holding a pistol on you, you've either got to be very, very fast, or else very, very stupid to try to draw on them.

    Unlike what you see from Hollywood, most people are absolutely scared to death when a pistol is pointed at them. The knowledge that their life could end within seconds makes most people think "You know, perhaps I should just get the (*)(*)(*)(*) outta here!"

    And that is all I want them to do - just go away and leave me alone. I don't want to shoot anyone, I don't want that on my conscience. I don't want to get into a fight, I don't want to have to go mano-a-mano with some young hoodlums, I just want them to go away and leave me alone.

    The state, in it's infinite wisdom, has allowed me that right - by that I don't mean the right to carry a concealed weapon in public, but the right to be left alone.

    That's all I ask.

    My pistol lets me have that right.
     

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