Barack Obama apologises for Koran burning

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Those Quran that were burn contain none Quranic verses that were written on it by those Muslim terrorist, what the USA did was holy something that the great Uthman would have done also, burn all the corrupted version of the Quran.

    The burning of those extremist literature has brought out and identify the many Muslim extremist in Afghanistan, it's time to send in the drones or if Obama find this too hot it is time to give Afghanistan back to the Russian they know how to deal with this kind of extremism.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    It's not the USA mistake, it was the extremist mistakes for vandalising their own Quran.
     
  3. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, just hold on to your panties, it was just a couple of dead Americans.

    Nice post Cig
     
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    I would just stop arguing with islam appeasers. Everyone knows that religion is barbaric as well as the people who follow the false prophet that was descended from Abraham's whore Hagar. As long as there are muslims in the world, there will never be peace as they are the harbingers of death.
     
  5. Really People?

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    And now you presume to know how my family feels about it?

    You sicken me...

    Go plan the genocide you suggested...

    See how many followers you get...
     
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    Our guys explicitly stated that we accidentally burned copies of the Koran...

    "Accidentally" implies a mistake...

    Surely you understand this...
     
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    Obama correct to apologize, Gingrich offensive to score cheap political points on the backs of two dead US servicemen.

    From the Reasonable Conversation Blog:

    You've probably seen the story in the news over the last few days. Some local Afghanistan villages found some incinerated Koran's in a garbage dumpheap outside Bagram Air Force Base. They bring this to the attention of their fellow villagers and soon word spreads all around the region and eventually, the world. The local US Commander on the ground apologized shortly after he was made aware of this. Yesterday, President Obama included this apology within a longer letter covering a variety of issues:

    “I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident,’’ Obama said in a letter to President Hamid Karzai. “I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies.’’ “The error was inadvertent,’’ Obama said. “I assure you that we will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible.’’

    Sometime after this apology was hand delivered to President Karzai, an Afghanistan soldier opened fire on a group of American soldiers, killing two of them. Today marks the fourth day of protests against the United States for the burning, and several Afghan protesters have also been killed, by members of the Afghan Army as a result. President Karzai has called for peaceful demonstrations and to avoid violence. There is concern that the more Conservative Mullahs may call for retribution during Friday's Prayers and the Taliban has posted statements on its website instructing that attacks on US Military bases, US Convoys as well as other occupying forces.

    It is a mess.

    Coming on the heels of video that showed US soldiers urinating on the corpses of dead Taliban fighters, plus the not too distant memories of the treatment at the Abu Ghraib detention facility, the flushing of Korans in to toilets at the Guantanamo Facility in Cuba, as well as American pastor Fred Phelps wanting to hold a "burn the Koran day," its easy to understand that nerves are a little raw. Is it difficult to feel their sense of disrespect? It shouldn't be.

    Then yesterday, flailing GOP candidate Newt Gingrich felt the need to capitalize on these events to score some cheap political points. Keep in mind, the two Americans were gunned down after Obama sent the apology. Gingrich said, "There seems to be nothing that radical Islamists can do to get Barack Obama's attention in a negative way and he is consistently apologizing to people who do not deserve the apology of the president of the United States period."

    These weren't radical Islamists. They were highly offended and enraged regular Afghanis who once again felt the "occupiers" had defiled their most sacred text. Had we not bungled the handling of such sensitive religious materials, those two US servicemen would likely be alive today. This is not to excuse their murder, not at all, but understand, we set this in motion.

    It offends me on a deep level that a man who is not a political novice would stoop to such a level to score a few cheap political points on the backs of two dead soldiers. This may be red meat to the Conservative base, but its wrong-minded and dangerous in my opinion. Gingrich loves to wrap himself in the flag and the bible when it suits him politically. Too bad he doesn't conduct himself with such rigor when it comes to his professional or private life.

    This notion that we shouldn't have apologized is also wrong and frankly, against most American values. As children, we are taught personal responsibility and to accept blame when we have wronged someone else. Traditionally, its always been more about what we do as opposed to what someone else does. "Do the right thing" we're told. Don't make excuses. Don't worry what the other guy does or doesn't do, YOU do the right thing, handle it the RIGHT way and walk away with your head held high with a resolve to not repeat the same mistake again. These ideas are central to many of our upbringings here in America. They are good values.

    I say President Obama was entirely proper to issue an apology as were the unit Commander, Sec. of Defense Leon Pannetta who said, "I apologize to the Afghan people and disapprove of such conduct in the strongest possible terms. These actions do not represent the views of the U.S. military," and General John Allen, International Security Force Commander and Assistant Sec. of Def. Ashton Carter who also both apologized to President Karzai.

    For too long, the US has strolled smugly around the world sticking its nose in situations, economies and other societies where they should not have. It is refreshing to find a President of the United States who has enough character, enough integrity and enough spine to issue mea culpa's when called for. His opponents call him weak, including his likely challenger in the General Election former Governor Mitt Romney who has said, "he'd never apologize for the United States."

    We all know someone who no matter the circumstances never apologizes, don't we? We've been "that guy" around the world for a long time. Finally, we have a POTUS who has enough balls to reach out and say we're sorry when we screw up.

    To Mr. Gingrich, I'd say sit your flabby fat-ass down somewhere, be quiet and figure out your next career move.
     
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    And still showed more than Obama.
     
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    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sicken you for something I believe is evil? Like I said, ask your muslim family members, you may not like the answer.

    I can see your peace on your signature no longer applies.
     
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    So you are ok he apologizes for our dead Americans. Can you please post any muslims or muslim leaders condemning those killings? See if you have the balls to pony up that, since you firmly believe it takes balls to kiss someone's ass that just killed your fellow Americans. It's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing book, and nothing more.
     
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    They originally said they found extremist writings on them and they confiscated them and burn them, they later said it was an accident to APPEASE the Muslims EXTREMIST.

    No doubt the problem in Afghanistan is not the presence of Americans but the presence of the Quran publish by the extremist.

    If they the USA-Allies are serious they will start confiscating all the Qurans and issue / distribute Quran publish in the USA!:reading:
     
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    My Muslim family members, who you don't know in the least, are some of the nicest people I know, and will probably feel the same way I do...

    See, you give your ignorant opinion on a religion you know nothing about, based on the actions of people who have taken said religion out of context...

    You don't sicken me because you don't like Islam, although your reasoning behind it is stupid...

    You sicken me because you called for the genocide of a whole religious population...

    That's been done before...

    Not great results...

    The peace in my signature is exactly what it always was...

    I'm not the one suggesting genocide...

    You are...
     
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    I'd say the main problem is the extremists themselves...
     
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    I don't know you in the least, but I can assure you, when I hear a voice of reason from the muslim community condemning the murder of innocent people over their book, I will change my tune. As I have mentioned, our own president has yet to condemn the killings, but I guess when you are trying to appease the murderers you need to keep your mouth shut.

    So since you claim your family are peaceful muslims, they will surely condemn the murders of innocent people. Probably not the subject to bring up over Thanksgiving dinner.
     
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    In the meantime, you can dig up all the posts for us where you have condemned innocent Muslims being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    BroncoBilly

    Do you condemn the killings, of Iraqis or South American indigenous people?
    I think thanks dinner only suppose to have it Christians. Is bloody nasty wars which Christians are attacking Muslims.
     
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    Wow, you really got that hate thing working for you, hitler now?

    When I hear united condemnation, I will retract my statements, but not until then.
     
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    You're the one that suggested genocide based on dislike of a religion...

    I believe Hitler did the same...

    And you tell me I'm being hateful...

    You are a sick individual...
     
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    This thread is about Americans killed for burning the koran, so stay on topic. You continue to excuse these pathetic barbaric murderers.
     
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    I have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea what you just wrote. Quit justify murdering innocent people over a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing book, because that is what you are doing.
     
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    Sorry, but, there are no instances (definitely not en masse) of Christians attacking Muslims based on religion...
     
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    Strawman. I've excused no one. Lame try.

    You continue to try to excuse your bigotry and prejudism by fabricating strawman.
     
  23. BroncoBilly

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    No, I am quite well thank you. Like I said, united condemnation, and we can all rest peacefully.

    I actually think you are afraid I am right RP, seeing peaceful (your words) family muslims not see the tragedy in murdering innocent people over a book is really a quite disturbing.
     
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    And you have condemned no one. Bigotry and prejudice against murderers, I have heard it all now.
     
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    It's always a tragedy when innocent people get killed. It was a tragedy that 100,000 innocent Iraqis were killed because Bush wanted to avenge his daddy.

    But only the bigots and racists will condemn an entire group because of the wrongful actions of a few.
     
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