Response: To the contrary, your inability to demonstrate that the qur'an is incomplete supports evidence to the contrary, while the dozens of discrepancies in the bible proves that it is not the word or inspired word of God. Debunked as usual.
Response: The more accurate translation is the loins and pelvic arch. Semen comes from the loins and follicular fluid of the women is between her pelvic, thus in perfect accordance to science.
I don't read Arabic, but there are several translations of the Quran available online, and not one uses anything remotely resembling "pelvic arch" for tara'ib. Every translation i could find, including Pickthall, who was trying to make the Quran sound modern and authoritative, uses either the term ribs or breast bones. Those translations which have used loins for sulb are the least reliable, and most recent. Almost every commonly available translation uses backbone, except for Pickthall, who is pretty creative. Even Ibn Kathir accepts the translation of backbone. The only alternative translation that can be defended is the term "hardening," which is what my translation app came up with, and which could be construed to mean penis. But ribs? That's indefensible, and your translation seems to be simply made up. Also, the Quran says that babies come from the stomach. Pickthall is generous enough to translate this as "womb," even though he translates the same word elsewhere to mean stomach.
This has already been refuted... http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/Rebuttal_To_WikiIslam_Quran_Semen_Pro.html Also, your knowledge of Arabic and the Quran is so little, you seem unaware that Arabic words often have multiple translations in English, and this is common in the English translation of the Quran, that words have multiple meanings. Please, educate yourself, you might make a good argument then.
I think Allah is bad at math as well: Mathematical error in hereditary laws 4.11: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise. 4.12: In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing. Qur'an 4:11-12 wife: 1/8 = 3/24, daughters: 2/3 = 16/24, father: 1/6 = 4/24, mother: 1/6 = 4/24, total = 27/24=1.125 The total does not equal to 1. This error can never be reconciled in any way. For more detail, please see the Answering-Islam website. (wikiislam) So how can I distribute 1 1/8th of my income as the Qu'ran tells me to?
OJLeb, your article which refutes 4:11's bad math just replaces the Quranic system with an alternate, non-textual one...
Muhammed Asad's translation was written in 1980 long after the scientific facts were well known, likely with the intention of making this claim sound reasonable. Indeed, it wasn't a simple translation of the quran, it was a defense of it entitled "the Message of the Quran," which i have read, and which is banned in Saudi Arabia for diverting too much from the actual text. Even if we accept Muhammad Asads definition of sulb as the male loins, it is a stretch of the imagination to accept that sexual reproduction is the consequence of a union between the male loins and the female pelvic arch. Note that the tafsir does not claim taraib means the pelvis, but the pelvic arch which is a specific part of the pelvis. This suggests that a claim of euphemism cannot apply due to the specificity of the description. Your claim about the developmental stages are absurd enough to stand on their own.
Very contrary indeed, your inability to get out of the check mate and you yourself said the Quran is incomplete proof that your quran is the word of Mohammed and Uthman not Allah. Quran conform with the Bible, Jesus is the Son of God that is why Muslim-Jesus never deny to the Jews or to Pilate that he is not the Son of God. Muslims have corrupted the Quran. In fact, in 2011 Muslim leaders were invited to a dialogue by Pope Benedict it didn't last because the Muslims have had to find an excuse to leave by attacking the Pope for speaking up against terrorist. The Bible is so complete that Muslims can't find any discrepancies instead they avoid it. Again you have debunk yourself
Ugh WanRen, you do this a lot. You cannot say everything Fatihah says is wrong, but agree with one thing that you use to make a point. You also did this with the Quran. Nowhere does the Quran say Jesus PBUH is the son of God, actually. How do you expect us to take you seriously when you post things like that? The Bible is so complete that Islam is growing faster than Christianity and more Christians convert to Islam than Muslims convert to Christianity.
That's not true in Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America or East Asia. In Sub-Saharan Africa many animists adopt Christianity as a defense against the imposition of Islam. South Sudan is an example. Christianity is spreading in China, South Korea, and else where. In China Islam is associated with the Uighurs of Xinjiang. Han Chinese don't like Uighurs. The birth rates have collapsed in Iran and Turkey. So don't expect any net increase in Muslims in those locations. There may be a lot of Muslims in Canada like you, but not down here in the US. Down here Muslims run scared.
Response: With all of your ramble, the fact still remains that all translations fit accordingly to the arabic and to modern science, supported by the fact that you can't prove otherwise. Thus your point is pointless.
Only with Muslims like Fatihah and it so happen there are many like her or him. I have already pointed out so many that she can not give a reasonable sound answer that is why she kept debunking her self and stuck at John 20:17 she even kept contradicting her own statement especially about the Quran. No, she did it to the Quran, I open up the real message of the Quran. Nowhere too did it say to write a new book or start a new religion. Answer me this, who was the man that took Isa's place to die on the cross? And why would Isa need a replacement, he could easily testify and confirm to the Jews and Romans that he is not the son of God? Do you accept the historical account that the reason why Jesus of Nazareth was crucified was because he was accuse by the High Priest of blasphemy, Jesus refusing to admit he is not the Son of God? If you do not accept this historical account then, seriously Muslim have a problem with reality. And if you accept this historical account then this would mean that Isa of Islam if he is not the son of God as Mohammed claim then Isa would have just testify to the Jews and Romans that he is not the son of God. Wouldn't this really solidify the revelation as written in the Quran and defeat the Bible claim that Jesus is the Son of God? You see, Quran does not even have the detail account of the trial and crucifixion, it only has three verses in Sura 4 that's it. You seem to be a more decent Muslims, explain to me then Sura 4.157 And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] If you have read me post, I believe that in this verse God was saying that the Jews did not killed Jesus they only thought they killed him because they have his body, God is saying that they can not kill Jesus because Jesus is God "so they thought they kill him" Mohammed misinterpreted this revelation and many other revelations. Muslim leaders have walk out of a dialogue with Pope Benedict in 2011 because the Pope was asking the Egyptian government to do more to protect the growing attacks and bombings of Christian churches in Egypt. The Muslim leaders find an excuse to exit the dialogue, are they afraid of the truth? Muslims have always wanted to debate with the Pope, the Pope offer them a better choice a dialogue and access to the Vatican's library and archives. At the point of a gun and bombs that is how Islam is growing. Many are finding the courage to leave Islam in spite of the serious threat against their lives, that is how true Christ is. That is why we seldom here Muslim leaders condemning Muslim-terrorist attacks against Christians, it is their way of claiming Islam is a growing religion.
Response: The absurd logic that the Bible is the word or inspired word of God is debunked by the following: Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds. Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males. Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus. Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands. Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor. 2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings). Then it gets even more disgusting. Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy. You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house. Now watch this. Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God. But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable. The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!! What!!! 2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar. Thus it is clear that the Bible is not the word or inspired word of God, while the qur'an is the proven true word of Allah as proven by the qur'an challenge, for the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.
You will never understand the Bible until you understand the Quran, understand God's message to Muslims recite the Bible then you will understand, but until you can not understand God's specifc instructions you will never understand the Word of God. That is why Muslim clerics walk away from the dialogue with Pope Benedict in 2011 because the Truth was too much for them to handle and just like you they lack the power of the Holy Spirit. Sura 10:94 If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters. 4:157 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise. Allah is saying that the Jews thought they killed Jesus because they have his body but they didn't understand that Jesus is Allah and He can not be killed so Allah will raise himself. At the same time this two verse conforms with the fact that the reason why they wanted to kill Jesus was because of blasphemy, Jesus refuse to deny he is the Son of God this also conform with Roman records by Josephus and Jewish records that a man name Jesus of Nazareth was crucified because he refuse to say he is not God. Isa could have easily testify to the Jews and Romans that he is not the Son of God just like what Mohammed have been claiming but Isa didn't even his supposedly replacement (Muslim translated this verse as someone die in Isa's place a look a like) that die in his stead didn't deny he is the Son of Allah. Quran only have these verses in regards to Jesus crucifixion, they do not have the entire trial, torture and crucifixion story because quran is not the word of Allah it is the word of Mohammed. Allah tried very hard to make Mohammed understand that the Bible is the Revealed book and to recite from that. It is very clear Mohammed got the revelation wrong because he did not have the Holy Spirit in him, he was heavily being influence by the Jinns. That is why Allah strictly commanded him to ASK the Christians and RECITE from the Bible. As you can see how you have debunk yourself again and again, you got check mate.
Response: In other words, the your logic is based on the Bible, when the bible itself is unreliable based on it's many discrepancies such as the following: Response: The absurd logic that the Bible is the word or inspired word of God is debunked by the following: Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds. Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males. Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus. Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands. Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor. 2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings). Then it gets even more disgusting. Ezekiel.16:8 God makes love to a young girl. Verses 16-34, she becomes a whore and 35-42, God punishes her out of jealousy. You really have to read this part. In 2Samuels 12:2-5, David sleeps with the Wife of Uriah and she conceives a child. Verses 6-13, King David invites Uriah over for a meal and afterwards he sleeps at the door of King David's house. Now watch this. Verses 14 - 27, David gives a letter to Uriah to give to Joab. The letter reads that Joab is to put Uriah on the frontline of the hottest battle so he can die. When he dies, he takes Uriah's mourning wife and marries her, and she bares his son. This displeased God. But wait. I'm not finished yet. It get's even more despicable. The next chapter, from verse 1-13, God sends Nathan to state to David that HE is displeased by the fact that David abused his authority by having s child with Uriah's wife and then having him killed. But.......God actually forgave David. Instead...............as verses 14- 18 read, God instead kills his newborn child!! What!!! 2 Samuels 13: 10-14- David's son Amnon rapes his own sister Tamar. Thus it is clear that the Bible is not the word or inspired word of God, while the qur'an is the proven true word of Allah as proven by the qur'an challenge, for the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.
Cute, can we stop cutting and pasting now. First off. it's laughable that you mock the Bible for saying wives should submit to their husbands, when your Qu'ran gives permission for a man to beat an unsubmissive wife. The thing about hating father and mother to follow Jesus is simply saying that a person should be a complete follower of Jesus -- follow God not man. And as for the David stories -- We accept that Humans are sinful creatures who mess up. Saying that they messed up is not debunking anything. In fact, I think it's more honest than Muslims who claim that Muhammad never sinned at all. Now, stop being dishonest and tell us what website you're copy/pasting. Surely an honest muslim could manage that.
Response: The logic of saying that the verse means to be a complete follower of Jesus is debunked by the fact that no such words are there in the verse, thus proving nothing. Regarding David, the fact still remins that God would not punish an innocent child because of the actions of David, thus debunking your claim again and showing that the Bible is not the word or inspired word of God. As for wife beating in islam, verse 4:434 does allow hitting the wife as a disciplinary act by the husband if she disobeys the protection provided by the husband (such as allowing his enemies in the home, using the money he provides to financially stabilize the family for her own personal gain, etc.,) yet as verse 19 demonstrates, women are to be treated with kindness. Thus the hit should not be abusive or painful. The sunnah of the prophet states that when asked of what force to beat a women, the prophet displays the bristles of a toothbrush, demonstrating how light the hit must be. The prophet also forbids hitting women in the face or leaving a mark. In short, the hitting is very light, thus it is not unjust, as it leaves no marks or causes pain. With that said, the usual objection by non-Muslims is that it's still wrong because no one likes to be hit. To that I say then, that you should help to free every prisoner from jail. Why? Because they don't like it. Anyone can see the absurdity. It's a punishment. It's not supposed to be liked. Once again, Islam is still established as a just religion. Debunked as usual. As for copying and pasting, thanks for acknowledging my wisdom. For you assume that the information is from a website, and not from myself doing my own studies, yet the fact that you can not find it on any website proves otherwise.
Check mate your inability to move or escape is very apparent, again you have debunk yourself and fail miserably to prove that the quran is word of Allah you however have succeeded beyond reasonable doubt that the quran is the word of Mohammed and Uthman and the Bible is the Word of God base on the Biblical verses that you have posted. Lev.14: 49-53, Lev.12: 1-5, Luke 14:26, Ephes.5: 22-24, 2 Samuels 22:11, 2 Samuels 13: 10-14 It is too bad you can only read those verses and not the entire Bible. In Afghanistan, Kharzai have bowed to the Muslim demand allowing Muslim men to beat and treat their wives like dogs, I mean worse than dogs.
Response: Another failed rebuttal, For the challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literatue that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. So have you conquered a nation? NO. Have you conquered the street you live on? NO. Thus you've done absolutely nothing in answering the challenge and have been dodging it from the beginning. Thus your ducking and dodging to attempt the challenge once again confirms your denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah, while the many discrepancies in the bible prove that it is not the word or inspired word of God. Debunked as usual.
Not enough were inspired that Muslims would driven out, defeated and their power will be cut forever. The book and words of Mohammed have now fallen to deaf ears drawn out by the Words of Allah, the Holy Bible, check mate again.
