The US needs to re-instate the draft .

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  1. What is free

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    I suppose national security isn't the federal government's job... :wtf:
     
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    Well, if the rich can force me to DIE for their corporate interest, why can't I use government force to have them pay for my basic necessities, car, hell, why not my weed and alcohol and club-hopping money?

    I'd say the latter would be way less violent than the former, as a matter of fact.
     
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    My rights are whatever I can get away with. And believe me there are PLENTY of ways to get out of a draft.

    Legal or not I know for a fact that I WILL not serve this country.

    And if I fail to avoid the draft you can fully expect me to go AWOL. First chance I get I'm stripping my uniform and running for the hills.

    When I say I will not serve I mean I will not serve.
     
  4. Ethereal

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    I'm being sarcastic. I just enjoy throwing their stupid statist "logic" back at them every time they selectively rage against authoritarian government. They only dislike totalitarianism when it captures them in its web. They're just hypocrites with no consistency or intellectual honesty.
     
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    The military is not national security, and if you think so, you are not in support of "freedom", despite your superficial posts that claim so.

    I think domestic police should be funded by edit: taxation, but The Police State should be MASSIVELY downsized. The drug war and "war on terrorism" are failures and should be stopped immediately. Speed limit laws should either be modified to be more fair towards us drivers, or else abolished. Big Car InSCAMance should be abolished. Corporate Lobbying should be abolished. Corporate and income taxation should be abolished. Big Land Rent should be regulated.

    I think geoist-capitalism is much more economically "liberated" than your right wing hackery. If you want to STEAL from me to fund MURDER of foreigners, then (*)(*)(*)(*) YOU.

    Got it? Good.
     
  6. Ethereal

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    Then you should be put to death or imprisoned.
     
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    Whew. I'm glad; I thought that statism had somehow plagued even miniarchists or something; I'm relieved.
     
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    Our military hasn't fought for my freedom in nearly 70 years. I have NO reason to appreciate it.
     
  9. HillBilly

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    I trust the US Gov't to take the easy way out , and that's why we don't have the Draft today , after Vietnam , people were sick of useless War , many still are , myself included , but that hasn't stopped our politicians from sending our sons & daughters into harms way , has it ? ...

    If the Draft were re-instated , we wouldn't be in the Wars we're in now , the American people wouldn't stand for it .. but , as long as it's someones elses son or daughter that dies or is maimed , then many cowards consider that ok , just as long as it's not them ...

    y'all enjoy the milk & honey and freedom that many soldiers have died for , but abandon your responsibility & every citizens responsibility to serve your country .. :x

     
  10. TheTaoOfBill

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    If that's the way it's gotta be that's the way it's gotta be.
     
  11. Ethereal

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    To be fair, I'm sure some of the resident anarcho-capitalists would consider me a statist, but I would venture to guess they consider me at least a tolerable one whose statism is merely temporary in nature, that is, until we're ready for a stateless society.
     
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    you seem to forget that JFK was a war hero.
     
  13. Ethereal

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    Tell that to Osama Bin Laden and Kalid Sheik Mohammad.
     
  14. TheTaoOfBill

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    Both of which were created by our military being where they shouldn't be.
     
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    I think that world peace is impossible therefore a stateless society is impossible, but it could be, depending on the group, temporarily possible in some places. But power hunger always, like a cancer, appears somewhere within the body of society. Edit: which is why REGULATED minimal government is often necessary. Currently, government can charge us whatever it wants for it's services because it has the power to do so. It can also charge us for whatever services that it deems acceptable. Which is unacceptable.
     
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    There's no need for a draft unless Monkey King Obama starts a war with Iran.
     
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    No he wasn't. He was a victim of bad judgment. His own.
     
  18. Ethereal

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    Don't worry. I would never support such draconian methods anyway. Unlike someone I could mention, I don't think it's moral to use the government to force people into arrangements or associations against their will using violence or the threat of violence. I think anyone who supports such methods is a morally bankrupt coward.
     
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    he saved a man by swimming to safety while holding the guys life strap in his teeth...

    the injuries he received while fighting are why he was wearing the back brace the day he was shot, and thus was unable to duck down after the first shot...
     
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    How do you know?
     
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  22. Ethereal

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    You're probably right, but that's not our military's fault. They don't decide where to go, the politicians do. The warriors who fight our battles, wrong or right, should be appreciated for their willingness to sacrifice on behalf of the nation. They are there in case we need them; it's not their fault that dumbass politicians misuse them and abuse them.
     
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    You mean that's not our Soldier's fault. It absolutely is our military's fault.

    I would never blame a soldier for military policy. I respect soldiers. I may not many military actions of the past 70 years but I do respect someone who wants to do the right thing for his nation and puts his life on the line to do it.
     
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    I don't think it's impossible, just improbable. The key to peace is enlightenment, and the path to enlightenment is intellectual. Spreading the message of individual liberty, therefore, is the only way to achieve the goal of peace and prosperity.
     
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    On August 2, 1943, Kennedy's boat, PT-109, along with PT-162 and PT-169, were performing nighttime patrols near New Georgia in the Solomon Islands,[21] when PT-109 was rammed by the Japanese destroyer Amagiri.[22] Kennedy gathered his surviving crew members together in the water around the wreckage, to vote on whether to "fight or surrender". Kennedy stated, "There's nothing in the book about a situation like this. A lot of you men have families and some of you have children. What do you want to do? I have nothing to lose." Shunning surrender, the men swam towards a small island.[23] Kennedy, despite re-injury to his back in the collision, towed a badly burned crewman through the water with a life jacket strap clenched between his teeth.[24] He towed the wounded man to the island, and later to a second island, from where his crew was subsequently rescued.[25] For these actions, Kennedy received the Navy and Marine Corps Medal with the following citation:

    For extremely heroic conduct as Commanding Officer of Motor Torpedo Boat 109 following the collision and sinking of that vessel in the Pacific War Theater on August 1–2, 1943. Unmindful of personal danger, Lieutenant (then Lieutenant, Junior Grade) Kennedy unhesitatingly braved the difficulties and hazards of darkness to direct rescue operations, swimming many hours to secure aid and food after he had succeeded in getting his crew ashore. His outstanding courage, endurance and leadership contributed to the saving of several lives and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.
     

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