Zimmerman had concealed carry permit

It turns out Zimmerman had a concealed carry permit. This changes the whole dynamic. If Trayvon and Zimmerman fought over control of the gun this is a clear case of self defense by a person who was legally carrying a sidearm for self defense

 

that is old news

the left always ignores facts that counter their fantasies

 

Does Floridas' CCW prohibit concealed carry for criminal purposes ?

 

In ANY case, justice for ALL should prevail. Dead men cannot speak, but often the evidence surrounding their demise surely does.

 

Have you considered the HOA liability at the Retreat? I seriously doubt all those homeowners are "liberals".

 

Amen to that.

 

Thats a very big 'if' you've got there.
I have to wonder why you so quickly go to the defense of the killer?

 

Z won't be able to use his version of events at a criminal trial, if one happens. Any version he tries to throw out in front of a jury would be shredded to pieces by any half assed prosecutor.

 

I suppose, are you implying that Zimm was commiting a crime prior to Tray's killing??

 

Justice has prevailed so far, neither men may have had any criminal intent. IF Zimm was a regular participant of crime watch he may of felt it necesary to carry a weapon for protection during his patrol. He had a permit, so introduction of a weapon was permitted. when did the gun come out is the question.

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-shooters-911-calls-potholes-piles-trash-black-men

Zimmerman seems to have been an obsessed person.

 

Not sure what you mean, sorry i dont follow

 

Because i listened to all 34 minutes of the 911 tapes, I heard Zimm asking for police to respond. Zimm was patroling his neighborhood because of break ins. If that is true he followed the law and got a permit to carry a gun when he was participating in crime watch. I am also curious of the facts once the media labeled Zimm as "White" then later said he was "white hispanic" the media is so eager to turn this into a racial crime. I was just curious of the facts.

 

At least I try to get impartial information. none of what was written in "Mother Jones" sheds any light on what happened that night. The facts so far are on Zimms side. The article you offer was written to show how "unstable" Zimm is. If I was on the Jury I would be forced to throw that evidence out.

 

I was thinking the same thing reading all that. I'm sure he'll receive the requisite psychiatric care in prison.

 

Sounds like it. The concealed carry permit may have been like a little weenie shoving a sock in his pants. Why the hell not just carry the thing out in the open?

1) You secretly hope to surprise someone.

2) You are an ugly chick and cannot look good sporting a gun like Sharon Stone.

3) You are afraid a thug might sucker punch you because they want a gun.

Zimmerman kind of reminds me of this lady that had perfect grass, and would yell at us kiddies for so much as stepping on her yard or anyone else's yard. So one day we little urchins took our dogs down there and covered the yard in dog poop. Funny thing after that, she never said a word again.

We did not punch her in the nose, beat her mercilessly on the ground while she screamed for help, such that someone may have heard something, came outside, saw what the victim was wearing (RED), said, "stop," and went to call the police, only to say to the FOX 35 Orlando reporter the next day that the dead man was on top beating the other guy; we were just being kids with fun poop.

I do not care so much if someone is a busybody, karma gets them pooped on in the end, only that the poop is not a merciless beating by a paranoid drugged up thug that did not know his busybody victim was armed, and finds out the hard way what happens when you keep kicking an armed man when he is down.

 

What does Zimmerman's heritage have to do with it?

Can you post a link to 34 minutes of 911 tapes? I can't find them.

 

There is no indication that Trayvon was drugged.. He was staying in the house with his father.

 

There's more to it than just a concealed carry permit.

Zimmerman was instructed by the 911 dispatcher to stay in his car and not pursue Martin. He ignored that directive. He pursued him on foot and created a confrontation. At that point, the "Stand Your Ground" law shifted in the favor of Martin. He was the one being confronted by a grown man, perphaps Zimmerman even showed or informed him he had a weapon. Martin knew he had every legal right to be where he was, he knew he'd absolutely done nothing wrong, yet he was being challenged by a grown man.

That's going to be very tough to overcome in court.

 

This was reported from the very beginning.

Anyway, just because you'e allowed to carry a gun doesn't mean you're always in the right to use it. If I came up to you and started threatening you with my gun and there was a struggle during which I killed you it would be hard to argue self defense if I was the one who started the whole thing, wouldn't it?

If the events are as they appear to be right now, which they may well turn out not to be, but if they are as follows: guy walking down street sees youth who looks to be up to no good, calls 911 but when he can describe nothing remotely of concern to the cops who tell him to go home he chases the kid down and provokes the scuffle that he then needs to use his gun in. For self defense. If that's what did happen then I think what he did is fairly indefensible, don't you?

But as we know facts are always slow to reach us with sensational cases like this. I'm doing my best to reserve judgement until there is more than sleazy journalism to base my opinions on.

 

Only that the parents are upset that the police released the reason for his suspension from school, empty paranoid inducing dope baggie.

Then again it was a statement that could apply to many cases in the future.

Maybe concealed carry is not a good idea, just saying. You cannot know if someone is drugged up, or can pull out a rib and pluck out an eye because their hands are registered deadly weapons, but it might be better to know if they are armed with something that can kill anyone so you do not bring a fist to a gunfight.

 

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GR...ased/-/1637132/9450044/-/6m827cz/-/index.html


The race baiters Sharpton, Jackson, MSNBC,CNN were quick to call this a white on black hate crime. that was my point. Zimm calls Tray a coon on the 911 line but,does that make him a racist, Zimm doesnt even describe Tray as black until asked by the Police dispatch. My point is those whose livelyhood depends on race baiting were quick to call this white on black crime. My position is this could of been another hispanic and the outcome would of been the same

 

A reasoned perspective, i agree, and yes I can have it both ways

 

I posted the 34 minutes of 911 tapes for Margot. in those tapes it describes something differant. for instance in the tapes the dispatcher and Zimm are trying to determine a place to meet the cops. at one point Zimm ask's dispatch to have cops call his cell for a better place to meet. when dispatch told him not to follow tray Zimm said OK. now if he did or not we will never know. some type of altercation ensuses with Zimm on the ground yelling for help, then a shot rings out. we dont know how the gun came out, we dont know what was goining on when on the tape Zimm describes the guy in the hoodie checking him out. Then Zimm tells dispatch hoodie was walking towards him. Now Zimm had a lawfull right to carry a concealed weapon, Tray had a right to walk around at the relatively early hour of 10:10 pm. if a fight occurs and both people wrestle over the gun who is at fault. If during the fight Tray disarmed Zimm or even if Zimm was accidently shot and killed with a permitted weapon tray would be guilty of second degree manslaughter. but since Tray was killed in a struggle with a man who was carrying a permitted firearm Zimm is not guilty of anything. Had the weapon not been permitted, Zimm would be charged with Man 2

 

I think it's going end up hinging on whether or not Zimmerman was basically out looking for trouble. There's the argument that, working on neighborhood watch, he was expected to keep an eye on anything suspicious. Did he? Who knows at this point. Regardless of the way it's being used to whip audiences into a frenzy it's a really interesting case all by itself.