Whose ultimately at fault in the Trayvon Martin murder case?

Wrong, libs are claiming that Zimmerman is guilty. Everyone else is claiming that is for the legal system to decide.

 

There must be over 1000 posts here with differing opinions from both sides so that's a spurious claim. Unless, of course, that everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal in which even you are spot on with your analysis.

 

To a point - I think a trial is fair - Zimmerman was told NOT to pursue the kid -- all in all - the liberal left and the police & Judicial system BOTH need to become color blind.

Color is an issue - but in part it is a fault of the black community in general. If parents controlled their kids better - less criminal issues would arise which would reduce the so called profiling from the law enforcement industry.

It's really a shame - buts it is true!

 

I have been called farther right than the Republicans and Zimmerman was told on the phone by the police dispatch NOT TO PURSUE ... we don't know what happened.
Supposedly; a neighbor saw Trayvon over or on Zimmerman beating him up - I am wondering if Trayvon overheard the call to the cops and didn't know who Zimmerman was talking to and decided to open up a can of Whoop A$$ before some friend's arrived.

Do you know what happened?

I can play Devil's Advocate for both sides - ALWAYS TRY TO SEE THINGS IN A THIRD PERSON PROSPECTIVE!

 

That is exactly my point, except that the instruction to Zimmerman had no force of law (as stated on the Sanford Fl govt site) and we don't really know what happened.

It became clear early on that mostly liberals, along with the MSM, claimed that this was racial profiling and that Zimmerman was guilty. When you wade into the mud, you are bound to get dirty. Anyone that responded with anything that differed from the now incorrect reporting was attacked and put on the defensive.

 

Yes, he was told not to pursue, and shouldn't have...

But, technically, it wasn't any sort of lawful order...

It technically was just advice from dispatch...

Now, on that note, had he listened, this whole situation doesn't happen...

Period...

 

That's why I called him a loser dirtbag with poor judgement. those typse belong behind bars.

 

too easy.

I'd say the moron who attacked an armed man is at fault here.

 

The armed man kept it secret until he had lured the kid in.

That is the wonderful part about the combination of Concealed Carry and Stand Your Ground laws.

You can provoke what looks to be a fist fight on the part of the other party, and then legally blow them away when they take the bait and swing at you!

For the Right Minded, there's nothing like watching the poor sucker's face as you blow him away! Priceless!

 

interesting speculation, I would love to see evidence of that.

you see in the USA you are innocent until proven guilty.

 

.....but you just said this:

When was it determined, beyond any doubt, that this attack was initiated by the deceased Martin?

 

Why do you keep repeating the same bad argument? SYG is not an encouragement to commit murder!

Imagine this:

Some career criminal attacks you and your mother while you are walking to your car after shopping at the local mall. You, pathetic pacifist that you are, somehow find the courage to actually fight back on this occasion and smash the attacker over the head with a large rock as he attempts to steal your mother's purse, causing him severe brain damage. Your attacker's family then sues you (and your mother) for the cost of maintaining their depraved and degenerate kin in a nursing home for the rest of his life. Even though you are ultimately exonerated in criminal court and vindicated in civil court, the legal defense costs destroy you financially. You are forced into bankruptcy for doing nothing more than defending your life against the wanton violence of a savage scumbag.

 

My opinion is that Trayvon was a classic case of the sons of these "single Mothers" who raise them without a father in the home who, because he is paying the bills, requires compliance to his authority in the family.

While Trayvon's estranged father spent his money mostly on himself and the girl friend(s0 he chased after, Trayvon grew up learning that he was golden.

Neither mother, teachers, principals, police, and especially not a mixed bred girlie man like Zimmerman could oppose him.

Confronted with the tenacious vigilance of Zimmerman which was a threat his job of burglarizing homes, he attack Zimmerman in order to teach him the fear necessary to make him stop the Town Watch he was doing for free.

 

4. The reckless, blatantly biased, and socially irresponsible news media


Incidentally, I hope they get the pants sued off them.

 

Can say this to a certainty;

Young Mr. Martin has certainly been held accountable, deservedly so? Remains to be seen.

Mr. Zimmerman has been targeted for prejudicial termination, charged with 2nd degree murder and may have a lawsuit against the State depending the outcome of the process he is in, remains to be seen

The police investigated, detained and interviewed and provided a report to the prosecutor.

I'd say the cops did their duty. The municipal prosecutor evaluated the circumstance and facts of the case at that time. Sounds like he/she did his/her duty.

The media, was inaccurate, unprofessional, prejudicial, unethical, opinionated, possibly criminal or civilly liable in a circumstance or two and down right gossipy. Other than that it did a fine job.

 

Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and the progressive media themselves ALL have responsibility for what happened.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GieK_55uyY

 

Why hasn't anyone suggested that there be a law for extreme stupidity, which would endanger lives, like you're doing right now ? (and you could be the first violator arrested for it).

 

The police did nothing wrong (except that the dispatcher told Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that" which was talking too much and saying the wrong thing). Zimmerman did nothing wrong. He followed correct security procedure by ignoring the foolish dispatcher and following Trayvon so as to Observe & Report (which he did). The only thing he might have done wrong was to stop following Trayvon, and thereby discontinue his observance of a suspicious person. As a security supervisor, in the past, I have reprimanded guards for doing that.

Trayvon was wrong for attacking Zimmerman, and commiting not only battery upon him but, also attemped murder, as told by 2 impartial eyewitnesses.

Trayvon's parents are at fault for raising a thug, (still a kid) with a whole set of gold teeth (how much did they co$t ?) and who apparently (from the stuff found in his possession) was a thief as well. They also should have schooled him better on the difference between his child-level street and schoolyard, and the adult streets where he could get his head blown off, if he tried to do what he was used to doing in the "get-away-with-anything" schoolyard.
In Florida, a kid who's 6 foot 3, and hasn't gotten out of the mentality of "punch you in the nose", for whatever little thing offends him, is a corpse waiting to happen.

 

We can only go on the facts that we have. If interested this link might give some insight into Zimmerman's possible mindset that night. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

 

From all the evidence I've seen, Martin is responsible for his own death. As for the racial tension, that sits squarely on the heads of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, President Obama, and the MSM. I think that their conduct has been absolutely despicable.

 

Trayvon Martin was largely at fault. Rather then going straight home, he apparently walked on yards and behaved suspiciously, and rather then talking it out with Zimmerman, he ran away, which looked even more suspicious. Even after that, Trayvon had lots of time to get home, so despite his suspicious actions, he should have been safe, but instead of retreating to the safety of his fathers home, he doubled back and assaulted George Zimmerman.

George Zimmerman, in contrast, was just on his way to target to go shopping, and he saw an unfamiliar teenage boy behaving suspiciously in his neighborhood, which had been plagued by break-ins and robberies, and he started off doing everything right. He watched Martin from his car and called the non-emergency line for the Sanford PD.

It was unwise to get out of the car, but that was not criminal, because he acted in good faith to protect his community and he stopped when the dispatcher ordered him too. One poor decision does not give Trayvon the right to double back and assault George Zimmerman.

Furthermore, people make a huge deal about Neighborhood Watch having a policy against carrying firearms while on patrol, but again, it's not a crime to break that policy, and even if it was against the law, it would not apply in this situation because George Zimmerman was going to Target, he was not on patrol. He was acting as a concerned citizen and was entitled by his concealed weapons permit to carry that weapon for purposes of self-defense.

Furthermore, the police used due diligence. The on scene officer investigated it as a possible manslaughter, but as the evidence started coming in they concluded that there was not enough evidence to support any charges against George Zimmerman, including Lead Detective Chris Serino. However, Chris Serino eventually recommended charges be filed against Zimmerman, but ONLY because he was pressured into it. That's his words, not mine.

The police tried to do their job right, but things got out of control due to lies, manipulations, race-baiting and impatience in the media and in much of the African-American Community, who didn't want to let the police do their jobs right and were just wanting to string up Zimmerman without having all the facts.

Angela Corey-Nifong filed charges because of political pressure, but if Zimmerman gets treated fairly it'll never get past the Stand Your Ground hearing, and the case will be dismissed.

 

First of all, Martin was under no obligation to act in any given way just because some punk who looked like a boy bumper was following him. Also, you are assuming, without cause, that the boy bumper allowed him to choose a course of action.

Z is entirely to blame for Martin's death. The cops share some measure of blame for not realizing that he faked the injuries to the back of his head. That he had an imprint that looked like his weapon should have been grounds to arrest him on making false statements to the police. Too bad stupidity is not a felony. There would be a whole bunch of job openings in Seminole County right now.

The donations to the defense fund may get frozen before O'Mara gets paid because the Martin family will own his ass if he is convicted.

 

Horse hockey. That would be true only if Martin were committing an unlawful act before he was accosted by some dirtbag who looked like a boy bumper. He wasnm't. It is not against the law to break a boy bumper's face. They teach kids that it is okay to hurt somebody who tries to grab them for no good reason.

It is all Z's fault.

 

GZ is not using the stand your ground law as a defense, he is using self defense.