From 'Hope' to Hypocrisy: The Senator Who Became A Sellout

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  1. Trinnity

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    [video=youtube;JLaH7IJWeTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLaH7IJWeTk[/video]

    Okay. Let's discuss Obama's credibility.
    Do you think he's lived up to the things he promised, and is this viddy fair or a hatchet job?
    What about this one:

    [video=youtube;UErR7i2onW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0[/video]

    What's your opinion about why he fell short of these promises?
     
  2. Lightnin'

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    Simple. Republican obstructionist Congress.
     
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    Oh Lightnin'. You didn't even listen to the first few seconds of the first video. Sheesh. How did the republican obstructionist make pbama take money from lobbyists??



    Then you can tell us how the republicans thwarted his plans for an open, transparent administration.
     
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    They kept him from making his admin open and transparent, shutting out lobbyists, and putting bill work sessions on CSPAN?
    They stopped him from posting bills online that come to his desk and giving us 5 days to see it? Putting every tax break and pork-barrel on line for us to view?

    They made it impossible for him to NOT hire lobbyists?
    How could they?

    Did you watch the 2 viddies?

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    Not only that, but they did it all when they were in the minority! They really are magical.
     
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    I saw no proof of his campaign taking money from lobbyists, none. Just cherrypicked soundbites.

    I saw no proof that his administration isn't open and transparent. Just more incidental soundbites.

    Republican campaign videos don't count as proof or evidence.
     
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    You'd be surprised how effective a minority can be if stalemates and obstruction are your goals. They weren't magical, they were pathetic in their minority and useless in a majority as per Republican standard.
     
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    Blog entries quoting unnamed officials is not proof.
    OP-ED with lots of opinion, but no concrete proof of wrongdoing or malfeasance.
    Big donors always have access, that's the way business has been done in Washington for hundreds of years. Obama is expected to not do this, why?
    There was nothing unscrupulous happening here.

    More conservative whining about nothing.

    But not always facts or truth. Imagine that?
     
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    I didn't expect you to read the stories any more than you watched the videos. They are there for people who want to know the truth.
     
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    There were no facts in the stuff you people posted, just partisan opinions.
    You don't seem to understand the difference.
     
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    The Republican obstructionists didn't beat him and force him to sign the Patriot Act renewal or the ADAA.

    However, they certainly didn't help, but then...they never really do unless they're trying to put more money in the pockets of the truly wealthy at the expense of the marginally rich, middle class, and poor.
     
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    No offense but your post is just BULL. It's insulting to expect anyone to believe he's clean and above it all. We KNOW it's not that way.
     
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    Astronomical accomplishments by those Republican "obstructionist" serving in The House Of Representatives and The Senate since 2011.

    1) 16 consecutive months of job and economic growth in the private sector.

    2) Stock markets up 100% from their recession lows.

    3) Nation wide unemployment rate has declined from above 10% to 8.2%.

    4) Millions of jobs created, particularly in private sector since Jan 2011.
     
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    Obama made a lot of promises and I think he believed them at the time but once you become President, the realities of how corrupt the system is and how difficult it is to clean house even for the President sinks in. You can either choose the moral high ground and risk recieving a shallacking or try to work around the sytem as far as possible and make compromises where you have to.
     
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    Funny. Until a few days ago the cons were blaming Obama for the poor state of the current economy and now that they are unable to deny that the economy has indeed been recovering, suddenly the GOP are claiming all the credit.
     
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    You NAILED IT!! (Anyone paying basic attention should know that.)
     
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    Romney will CERTAINLY be no different (if elected).

    The perfect will of the PEOPLE, will likely never be contained within the vision or agenda of a single candidate.

    And it is up to the PEOPLE to steer the nation.
     
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    The inclination that the U.S. economy is "recovering" is simply a fabrication of the truth based on the premise that the American economy only grew a dismal 1.6% in Real GDP growth in fiscal year 2011. In the month of January, 2012 the economy added nearly 290,000 and in February an estimated 240,000. In the months of March and April in 2012, the economy added a gloomy sum total of 240,000 jobs total. Currently, the Real GDP growth stands at about 2.2%. If one were to do the math, the U.S. economy declined in Real GDP by -1.4% comparing fiscal years 2010 to 2011.
     
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    More than a few experts and testimony of other Americans challenges what you're claiming. (We'll see.)
     
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    You could say that Romney will deliver 50% of his promises. He has spoken and contradicted on every issue so whatever he decides to go, he can say that's what I promised in my campaign. But the real truth will be he also promised the exact opposite.

    I don't wanna get into a discussion. The Republicans keep saying the economy is going south and blame it on Obama. But sometimes they themselves admit that yes the economy is starting to recover but then give credit for it to either Bush or say it was the GOP. Decide one of the other. If all blame should go to Obama, then all credit should also go to Obama and vice versa.

    Even Mitt keeps blaming Obama for the economy but a couple of months ago he gave a speech in which he said the economy is recovering and that it is due to Bush.
    Then he went back to the econmy is not recovering and its Obama's fault.
    Just this week, in front of students he admitted the economy is recovering but says that it is what happens after a recession.
    Classic Mitt.
     
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    The Lobbyists Revolving Door policy was a big thing and not living to that promise is terrible on Obama's part. Also, the part about Obama being no more transperant than Bush or other previous presidents was absolutely correct. If he was going to just continue what was the status quo, he shouldn't have drawn attention to it.
    I'm surprised you didn't include anything about continuing the Patriot Act or signing NDAA, the latter being the single worst thing he's done as president.

    Of course, I've never seen any president who kept ALL his promises and Obama has certainly exceeded expectation with the number of really important promises he HAS kept. Combine that with what the GOP is offering and my vote for Obama is an easy choice.
     
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    And done in spite of an obstructional executive branch and runaway and hide Senate.
     
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    Interesting that you see it that way.
     
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    Bin Laden is dead

    And

    General Motors is alive

    'nuff said.
     

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