Obama: 'I think same sex couples should be able to get married'. Impact on election?

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  1. ptif219

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    I do not go to churches that reject what the Bible says
     
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    The bible says no such thing. It does say marriage is between a man and a woman. But that is a Christian marriage. A secular marriage can be whatever it wants to be. "in theory". The bible makes one tiny mention of being gay in Leviticus. However if you knew anything about the Bible, you would know that the information and rules and such in the book of Leviticus was written for a specific people. You and I (Christians) are not that people.
     
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    Its not a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing claim! It IS a law decided by the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED (*)(*)(*)(*)ING STATES. You cannot possibly be this ignorant.
     
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    They disagree with you on what the Bible says.

    There is nothing wrong or sinful about LGBTQ people.
     
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    Then I guess you have not read the first chapter of Romans
     
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    I am waiting for your proof
     
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    No they deny what the Bible says. There is scripture

    http://carm.org/bible-homosexuality
     
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    You've never even read the Bible, so don't waste my time, ptif.

    LGBTQ people should be proud of who they are.
     
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    Funny. Seems to me the important topic in Romans were sexual acts and adultery. Not love. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they do not love. And by preventing their marriage you are ALSO promoting sin, just a different sin. Instead of letting two gay people be together in the eyes of God and love each other, you condemn them to adultery.
     
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    so you buy into the whole Old Testament deal, lock stock and barrel? It's ALL the inerrant word of God?
     
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    I have taught the Bible and preached in church
     
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    This link you posted talked about homosexuality as a sin just like any other. so they may be christian, just like any other sinner. Being a christian does not make you stop sinning. Human beings are in a near CONSTANT chain of sins. However long you may THINK you go without sinning, it usually a matter of minutes, or even seconds. you are no more or less sinful than any homosexual, slut, or murderer in the eyes of God.
     
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    Then I pray you have not spoken about this, because in this you are wrong.
     
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    Not me but the Bible

     
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    so have I...and while I think that I would probably not be welcome in YOUR church, you should know that you would always be welcome in mine.
     
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    Not all some was replaced by Jesus

    But it does say Homosexuality is an abomination to God. No where does it say that has changed. I would say Romans 1 backs that up
     
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    I would say that your interpretation of Romans suits your purposes. There are many faithful Christian clergy who disagree with your interpretation. I would not be so vain as to say that I knew I had the absolute and only right interpretation to ANY passage in the Bible, that's for certain.
     
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    You are not to continue willingly sinning. You are to ask God for forgiveness and repent of your sin. If you do not do this you can lose your forgiveness as i showed in a link
     
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    so...everything Paul says is the absolute word of God, I take it... does that also apply to other New Testament authors? How about James?
     
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    You can not justify homosexuality when you read that scripture
     
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    That depend on your beliefs. What is your point? Are you going to cherry pick again and ignore what I have shown
     
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    As I have said, I know many faithful clergy who would disagree with you. Now... about the inerrancy of Paul and James... what say you?
     
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    it depends on your beliefs? So... you think there is room for divergent beliefs when it comes to the Bible? From what you have written, that doesn't seem possible.
     
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    You are right. There is not one example in the entire Bible….that condones same sex unions in any way. NOT ONE. Jesus is One with the FAther….and in Genesis…God says….that a man should leave his parents…(father, male-mother-female) and cleave to his wife (one woman)..and they should become one. God does not condone anything other combinations. Now people will say….gee Jesus did not talk bout homosexuality at all…so because he didn't…that means its ok. Well Jesus never said…child pornography was bad..or rape….or pedephilia. Does that mean they are all acceptable in His eyes? No. If you read the Word and you believe on it……then it is not about what the world says is right…or hip, or politically correct…it is about God and His standard of right. And sex outside marriage…is sin. That goes for heterosexual sin as well.
    Wherever there is talk or examples of sex sin…homosexuality is mentioned. It is sin and ungodly behavior.

    About Obama. He claims he is a Christian. Well scriptures tell me I can not judge his heart…but I very much can judge his words and actions. And they both deny God and the Word. For Obama to flip flop…to cave into what the world says…..shows what he puts at the top. He wants votes…..and that he why he changed his position. If people can't figure that out….then I don't know what else to say.

    Obama does not stand with God on this.
     
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    I think the key word is lust. Lust can be heterosexual just as quickly as homosexual. Being gay does not make you automatically lustful.
     

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