Should It Be Legal To Fire Someone For Being Gay?

Unless it was in the video, the interviewers seemed to miss some obvious counter-points. For example, would he support someone being sacked for being heterosexual and what about being sacked for be Christian or a member of the Republican party.

There are more complex arguments against this kind of position but I doubt he has the desire or ability to honestly and intelligently address them.

 

A nice theory but did it work in practice? Before there were these laws, various groups of people in different places were routinely treated as second class citizens. They were never offered the best jobs or the education and training to achieve them - it was presumed that they were incapable of more challenging tasks. This was active and passive discrimination ingrained throughout entire societies feeding financial and social divisions. Some of these attitudes remain today, which is why this is still a major issue and why such laws are necessary.

 

Exactly.

Waste of time. An employer simply has to lie about conditions, to which there will be plenty to back up any story they come up with.

Exactly.

In the end, termination is a joke, as well as the laws surrounding it. All the employer has to do is keep his feelings to himself, claim the employee told him to "(*)(*)(*)(*) off", and all is right as rain. If a manager is incapable of such discretion, I question the choice to make such person a manager in the 1st place. I think half of the manager's job is lying to employees. Lying to the government should be easier, not harder.

 

Absolutely amazing in this day and age . God help Unchristian America .

 

Love the sinner, hate the sin. I'm not really familiar enough with Mormonism to know how much they follow that, but it's a basic rule of life for Christianity. And it's a good one to follow. It makes situations like this a lot less complex. You end up making friends out of people instead of enemies.

I need to get better at it, actually. I'm way too addicted to confrontation. *sigh*

 

I'm an atheist and the only rule I live by is the golden rule.

 

What if their services are simply no longer needed by the company? Is the company obliged to keep them on the payroll? And conversely, should the employee then be compelled to remain at the company if they should desire to leave? Say if they find a better job?

There could be many reasons to fire a hard worker. Until you've run your own business, this may be a difficult concept to understand.

Happens here too--it's called "wrongful termination." But I still maintain that the employer/employee relationship should be a private one and remain an "at will" association.

 

But work is also a social setting--and that's not really the way social dynamics work.

 

I understand your position and I agree with you--but you seem to be suggesting that employers should not be legally able to terminate an employee for certain reasons. Am I reading you correctly?

 

Here is something we agree on--you are correct when you say the employer/employee relationship should be a private, voluntary association.

 

If a business were to fire someone for being gay, they ought to be heavily fined.

 

Would you then agree that the employee should be required to make a similar commitment to the employer?

Sure. Happens all the time. There are very few guarantees in life.

 

Becuase "freedom" is giving absolute power to employers and the private sector.

 

Thats all fine and dandy but the FEDERAL civil rights act trumps all states laws. So in those 29 states they can pass all the crap laws they want, federal law trumps state law 10 out of 10 times.

 

I don't think that is what he is saying. If you have a Christian preschool you may not want gay people working there. To me the solution is for people hetero and homo to keep discussions of their sex life out of the work place.

 

Does anyone seriously think that being gay is not a choice? If your DNA was sure enough of your gender to actual put a penis down there, it was pretty sure.

Now if you had a 1/8" little puff, surrounded by a hint of a crevice, instead of a penis or a vagina, then it would be safe to assume that your DNA is in some doubt as to what gender you are. But short of that, it's your PSYCHology which is making the decision for you, not your PHYSIology.

And YOU control your own psyche and thinking. (or at least you better the hell HOPE you do)

Many things may INFLUENCE our thinking, but in the final analysis, it's YOU who decides what you are going to think, moment by moment, nano-second by nano-second. If not, then there is no free choice. Free choice doesn't just work SOMETIMES. ha ha ha And that includes what you are going to like and prefer, since 'liking' and 'preferring' are 'thinking'.

Not all decisions are made at a conscious level of course. But given that they're MADE, they can be UN-made with equanimity.

 

Should It Be Legal To Fire Someone For Being Gay?

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Your post lost some significant meaning there, partner. Try again.

 

There is no federal law preventing that from happening which was what the OP was about. As I said in other post the effectiveness of a law like that is limited since you do not have to give cause in any state except Montana.

 

So? The thing you dont seem to realize is morality cannot be created through forced laws. Someone who is racist before affirmative action is still racist afterwards. People don't realize that freedoms go both ways. If you own a business and refuse to hire a black guy who will do the job very well then that is YOUR loss. Not only are you going to lose business, but also an effective employee. Laws promoting a specific race or culture are just as racist as laws or beliefs striking down a specific race or culture.

 

Why? Laws like this seek to create equality but they in fact do the opposite. A private entity cannot be punished for exercising its freedom of speech. I can sit here and say that all gays are stupid and I hope they all die. I can be rude and cruel to every gay I see. But I have done nothing wrong according to the Constitution. Why should any group be more entitled in our society? Should a guy being fired for being straight receive the same treatment? No. Instead we should allow and welcome for people wrongfully fired to speak out against that business. That works fine and again, it prevents ridiculous laws and government bureaucracy. Which is always a good thing.

 

It already IS legal to fire someone because they are gay...

 

Ideally, this could work. However, we had to restrict this sort of thing when it came to race for obvious reasons during the Civil Rights Movement.

You can't fire someone because they're black or Muslim or female without most likely getting sued. Why should it be any different for gay people?

At least, officially, you have to use a different reason. You might avoid hiring or choose to fire someone because they're gay, but legally, you're best off giving the impression that it was for some other reason. Discrimination in the workplace is a legal liability -- as it should be.

 

We know. You got in this thread only to point out that religion (Mormonism) is some how stupid... but being gay is much better.

 

This sounds more like an HR problem; why hire a person for a potential efficiency wage if that is not the criteria they are being paid for.