Ayesha, wife of prophet Muhammed was 6, had sex at 9.

Response: Yet you can't quote a single hadith that states that Aisha "believed" that Muhammad was a prophet. As such, your rebuttal only supports the fact the claim that Aisha had sex with Muhammad but that Muhammad is not a prophet is idiotic. Thus your weak rebuttal is debunked.

 

Of course you can't.

But unless you are trying to argue that Aisha did not believe that her husband was a prophet, your argument here is really very dumb. You are making no sense whatsoever.

Is that your argument? That Aisha didn't believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God?

I didn't think so.

 

Response: My argument is clear, which is that you can't claim that Aisha had sex with Muhammad at 9 based on her own words unles you claim that Aisha is speaking truthfully. As such, if Aisha is speaking truthfully, then she is also speaking truthfully that Muhammad was a prophet and that Muhammad never harmed her and treated her kindly.

So is that your argument? That Muhammad is not a prophet and did not treat Aisha with kindness? If so, then it's also not true that Aisha had sex with Muhammad at 9 years old. Do you believe that?

Exactly. I didn't think so. Debunked as usual.

 

Your argument is incompetent.

Aisha is speaking truthfully. One does not need to actually be right to be truthful. One need only bleieve that what one is saying is true. This is not a difficult concept, and I frankly am puzzled at your inability to grasp something so basic.

I have no reason to challenge her statements that Muhammad never harmed her. So what? But unless you are arguing that she was secretly an apostate, your argument here is as pointless as a bowling ball.

No my argument is that Aisha testified that she consummated her marriage with Muhammad at 9 years of age. She also happened to believe he was a prophet and that he he treated her kindly. She was probably correct for two out of three.

 

Response: Such a statement is sheer idiocy. Claiming something is a fact is the same as claiming that it is true, as any dictionary will tell you. Your argument is as deluded as saying that "the man is not fast, the man is quick". Such is clearly absurd when the words are synonymous. Debunked as usual.

Response: Arguing whether Aisha was a apostate or not has nothing to do with her having sex at 9, thus your weak strawman has no relevence, thus further debunking your absurdity.

Response: And my argument is that claiming that Aisha had sex with Muhammad at 9 as a true statement means that her statement that Muhammad was a prophet and treated her kindly must also be true. So you can't accept one without the other when the reliability of each statement is Aisha herself. So either she is reliable and all the statements are true, or she is not reliable and none of them are. Two out of three makes no sense.

 

Yes... claiming something is a fact is the same as claiming that it is true. But claiming something is true is not the same thing as that fact actually being true. People make claims every day that are actually false, but if they don't know that they are false, the claim is still "truthful."

Aisha was being "truthful" She actually believed the things she claimed. She had a first hand basis for believing at least two of them. The third (i.e. Muhammad's prophet-hood) not so much.

Again this is not a difficult concept. I have no idea why you are struggling.

Hey, don't blame me for your framing so incompetent an argument. Your the one who inexplicably and idiotically somehow tied Aisha's testimony regarding her marriage dependent to her beliefs about Muhammad's prophet-hood. It's good to see that you have finally realized that one is irrelevant to the other, and that your argument was goofy.

And only a complete cretin could believe that was a solid argument. It's not. Her testimony regarding two things she had first hand knowledge regarding can give no confidence to her beliefs of things she can not have actually known.

Your argument borders on the insane.

 

Response: Another delusional response. No one stated that claiming something as true is the same as being true. Thus your delusional rant is pointless. The point is that if someone is truthful then it is illogical to say that their claim is untrue. So if the claim of Aisha having sex at 9 is true based on her words, then that means she has to be truthful for the claim to be true. As such, the claim by Aisha that Muhammad is a true prophet and treated her kindly is also true, not two out of three. Debunked as usual.

Response: To the contrary, the idiotic argument is the foolish claim that Aisha is truthful, yet at the same time, saying that only two out of three claims that she made is truthful. An obvious contradiction. Thus the sheer idiocy is obviously on your part.

Response: Which makes absolutely no sense when the hadith says that she does know, thus proving my point that you can't use a hadith to prove your point when the actual hadiths say completely differently.

Your arguments borderline the logic of a mental patient. Debunked as usual.

 

You need to reread your own posts. You have essentially done exactly that. I will not waste my time slaying again the already slain. Your argument was stupid. The fact that you continue to advance it does not reflect well on you.

 

God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is blind
Therefore...Stevie Wonder is God

 

Sophistry........

 

Response: In other words, you realize yourself that no argument you can present would come close to logical in refutation, nor can you prove your above claims, which is why you presented no rebuttal. More proof that your own logic is flawed Thanks for the clarification.

 

No. In other words, you don't get it. That's okay. Smart people do.

 

If an answer is so obviously clear why debate and argue over it?

Ignore them Wonk, we all know Muhammed was a paedophile and it's not Atheists or so called Kaafirs or infidels making this up but the Hadith itself claims this (Hadith bukari volume 7, you can buy it on Amazon).

The hadith is also the only source that proves the existence of their prophet so without the hadith there is no evidence to prove the existence of their prophet.

You guys are debating over 2 + 2.

The answer is so obvious and yet so much time is being wasted trying to disprove something which is so clear.

A few years ago when I used to say the prophet was a pedo they used to go into denial mode until people like me found the actual verse proving he was a pedo in the holy hadith itself.

Now the new argument my Muslims is "It was justifiable in those days"

How pathetic....

 

That you say that proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

Muhammad (SAW) was not a pedophile. He could have married any woman he wanted. He didnt marry a group of children, which would have been extremely easy for him considering the time and his status.

The age of Aisha (RA) is disputed by historical events from Islamic scholars. So unless you were there, it seems Aisha (RA) could have been between 9 to 18 in age.

Were you there to verify her age? Because Hadith narrations mean nothing to those Quran-only Muslims who don't consider any Hadiths to be authentic.

You tried to insult the Prophet (SAW), but because of a lack of Islamic knowledge, you failed. To simply put it.

 

You weren't there as well plus you already admitted that you have no idea how old Aishe was by saying 'she was between 6 - 18'. How sad and pathetic that a so called Muslim isn't even sure.

By the way muhammed was around 40 - 50 years old when he screwed aishe, so a 40 - 50 year old man thyed with a 6 - 18 year old girl, and you don't think that's disgusting?

Even if your prophet wasn't a paedophile, he's only real contribution was being the founder of the most ignorant, vulgar and violent religion out there. What has your prophet contributed to, even Plato or Einstein have done more for humanity than Muhammed, they should be labelled as prophets, not a camel merchant.

If the hadith isn't the only evidence to prove the existance of your prophet then what other evidence is out there loool? the quran which was written by men?

The hadith isn't a lie, it's real, these books were written during conservative times and nothing could've lied about a prophet!

You see when the hadith proves your prophet was a pedo it doesn't actually insult him but see's it as something normal!

Why do you think many muslims even now marry little girls lol, because their following the prophets way. Even Khomenei of Iran said the prophet married a little girl and thats why marrying little girls is justifiable!

P.S can i personally ask why you're disobeying Allah, Surah 9:5 "Kill the infidel".. ..??? I be t you live in an infidel country and if not the West has declared war with Islam since a very long time so why don't you join the Alqueda and fight for them you coward?

Don't think by praising Allah on the Internet you're going to heaven, Allah can't see what people type on the Internet unless he has Allah telecoms Internet Service Network provider in heaven.

All the boring people are in heaven while all the interesting people like socrates and palto are in hell, I rather burn in hell than join scum like you in heaven.

 

many sources say that she was just at the beginning of marrigable age. In Hewbrew culture that is around 11 or 12.

 

The bible itself states that she was just entering marriagable age when Joseph bought her from her father, which means she was around the age of 11 or 12. Hewbrew marriage age is the same as the age a girl has her period.

 

Response: Only in the eyes of the delusional. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Response: The idiocy continues. The hadith you state claims that Aisha had sex with Muhammad at 9 years is from Aisha herself, who also states that Muhammad treated her kindly and that Aisha grew to be a leader and scholar. Therefore, by calling Muhammad a pedophile, you are actually calling pedophilia a great thing, since no harm was done to Aisha in her marriage, but instead, she grew to be a leader and scholar. Thus you've done nothing but expose the fact that your ideology states that pedophilia is great. Debunked as usual. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

Ya haram...

lol I said much more actually, feel free to read and reply to my entire post before replying next time.

And its Aisha, by the way.

This still happens today in American society. Have you heard of "gold diggers" before? Realize it has nothing to do with mining

Not quite. The Prophet did plenty for mankind. One of the most influential men in history. I leave you with this gift: http://mercyprophet.org/mul/taxonomy/term/48

You really don't know much about Islam... Please educate yourself.

It was the Hadiths which were written after Muhammad's (SAW) death, not the Quran. The Quran is Gods word. And it was the proof of Muhammad's (SAW) prophethood.

Nobody denies their existance. Only their authenticity.

But... The Hadiths don't prove Muhammad (SAW) was a pedophile (astaghfurallah). Aisha (RA) was engaged beforehand, actually proving she was at a marriagable age at the time.

Please take a look at the legal minimum age for marriage throughout the Middle East. Hint, in Iran it is 18 for men and 16 for women.

lol this is a joke, right?

Surah 9:5 does not say "kill the infidel".

Another random outburst of nonsense.

Um... okay? You really lost me by the end of this post.

 

How many times have I read the same excuse for the preteen or young teen Mary? It was the norm at the time, they say, and that makes the Holy Spirit not a perv. Why is it good for the goose but not for the gander?

 

The point we seem to have forgotten in all of this intellectual babble is that scientifically a child becomes an adult when she starts having her menstrual cycle or he starts ejaculating. Different individuals become adults at different ages. So the fact that Muhammad waited until Ayesha was an adult biologically does not make him a pedofile.

The problem with many of us is we judge the rest of the world by western concepts/standards. In many parts of the world children become adults biologically at earlier ages, and delaying marriage in many cultures is a ridiculous concept. Especially if the average lifespan in that culture is short.

Finally, to my friend that brought forth all the hadith to prove that Muhammad was a pedofile, I challenge you to bring forth all the hadith where Ayesha herself spoke about her marriage to Muhammad. All of it - beginning, middle and end of the marriage with Muhammad's death.

 

You have declared that adulthood is defined as the onset of sperm or menstrual blood.
Can you provide a credible source that would define adulthood in that way? A citation to any source.
You have declared it so and expected everyone to accept your definition. I'm not sure many are going to give you that pass.
Provide a source that will support your definition.

Here's a start.

a·dult (-dlt, dlt)
n.
1. One who has attained maturity or legal age.
2. Biology A fully grown, mature organism.
adj.
1. Fully developed and mature.
2. Relating to, intended for, or befitting adults: adult education.
3. Containing or dealing in explicitly sexual material; pornographic: adult movies; adult bookstores.

All of these imply a fully grown person, which none of us are at nine, in spite of the fluids we produce.

Here's one from a medical dictionary:

adult
[ədult′, ad′ult]
Etymology: L, adultus, grown up
1 one who is fully developed and matured and who has attained the intellectual capacity and emotional and psychologic stability that are characteristic of maturity.
2 a person who has reached full legal age. Compare child.
3 any fully grown and mature organism.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

Still nothing.

By the way, welcome aboard.

 

A person might be 25 years old before his skull bones fuse together. That indicates that his skeleton is fully mature (reaching adulthood). Or by your definition: [3 any fully grown and mature organism.]

 

In many ancient cultures, including Hebrew culture, it was completely acceptable to marry a young girl. But I highly doubt that she was that young. Most of the time a girl is not married off until she has her first period. I had heard one source that said that she was 9 when they married and they did not have sex until she was 12, after he first period.