Star of Romney's "You didn't build this" ad received millions in government money

Classic! Great find Rayti.

We build this city,
We built this city,
We built this city on a Government loan!

 

Without a college degree, it wouldn't matter how hard you worked: your earning prospects would be much lower. You don't owe *everything* to it, but it's a huge boost.

Yep. Individual effort is an important component, too. Not everyone who goes to college succeeds equally.

But people who go to college are more likely to enjoy higher lifetime earnings than those who don't.

You're aware, I hope, that the tuition you paid didn't actually cover the cost of your education? At public schools, tuition generally covers a third to a half of the cost. The rest is covered by endowments, government funding and other sources of income. Even at private schools, tuition is often subsidized by endowments and scholarships.

Hardly. In the specific case of Obama, he was referring to roads and bridges, and making the point that businesses rely on things they didn't build in order to succeed.

In the general case, it's also true. You likely got educated at public K-12 schools. The American system of laws makes it relatively easy for commerce to occur and businesses to succeed. You can enter into contracts knowing that those contracts will be fairly enforced by an impartial justice system. These things are fundamental to a successful business climate. Without them, it often doesn't matter how talented you are or how hard you work.

But not solely. Which is my point. Even if they never accept a dime of government money directly, they couldn't succeed without the government-run system of laws, government-provided infrastructure, government-educated populace -- the list goes on.

 

Yep.

Yep. So does that mean he wasn't helped by the loan?

Contentless name-calling. You can do better.

 

What kind of logic is that? You're changing the playing field now. If there was no government loan he couldn't have built his business, ergo he couldn't have built it on his own. He needed our money.

There are businesses who started completely from scratch where the government didn't help them build that. His is not one of them.

 

"If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,"

Raytri, it is IMPOSSIBLE to take that statement "out of context".

It is IMPOSSIBLE to revise, spin or "nuance" that wholly collectivist sentiment any other way than an emotionally extortive attempt to emphasize human interdependence over individualism...the very definition of "collectivism"

 

Webb, darling he was just pulling a Bushism where he attempted to quote someone else and because there was no teleprompter feeding him the right quote he screwed the pooch.

You built your business without help. Others did, too. They should have picked you for the commercial instead of a guy who received a government loan.

 

Sure it is. Because what Romney edits out is this: the "that" Obama is referring to is the "American system" and "roads and bridges". Here's the full quote:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...rks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help … Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Sure, Obama's syntax was garbled. But his meaning is clear if you aren't a partisan trying to twist his words.

For instance, Romney specifically accused Obama of ignoring individual initiative. Which is funny, because Obama specifically *praised* individual initiative a sentence or two later:

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.

The Romney use of the quote is an out-and-out lie, period. And then they chose a poor example to illustrate it.

 

grateful they tax the crap out me . all the friggin fees and licenses , a fee for a sign !!

 

He used the tools available to him to build his business. He paid for the loan, just as he pays for a hammer.

Or did government "allow" him to succeed ?

 

Raytri I'm very glad to see the common sense in your posts. A lot of these guys don't want to admit that his quote was taken out of context or that the small business owner is hypocritical because they're so partisan. It's good to see someone who isn't every once in a while. I'll see you around, good luck with the rest of the partisan hackery that is soon to follow

 

The government helped him succeed. Right?

 

Ray, you are misrepresenting what was said to make an argument.
1) you made the leap that the business owner in the add misrepresented himself because alluded to, or said, he had received no help from anyone. He did niether. Not even remotely close.

2) Obama did said, "if you have a business, you didn't build that, someone else MADE that happen”. That is not a "suggestion" as you allude to, it's what he actually said.

 

lol so now righties have to double down on taking him out of context to defend Romneys fraudulent ad

 

arguing a strawman....

he didnt do it without help....confirming the presidents point

 

not that it really matters. In the election cycle all that counts these days are sound bites and that one pissed of a lot of business owners of all ethnic flavors. Not many pay attention to the backtracking or what I really meant to say's. the damage is done libs, time to move on to Move On's latest propaganda

 

If he was referring to a bridge built by the Govt, for example, why would he not be completely accurate?

 

No. Not any more than if I hire you to fix a hole in my driveway, and pay you to do it. That is not "helped" as the verb. Now, if you come over and do it for free, then that is different.

The government provided him nothing for free on his behalf. Nothing.

 

right, it doesnt matter the validity of the accusations, just the seriousness of the charge

 

This is exactly right....People can read and comprehend....and once social media "memes" go viral, the damage has been done...and no amount of sycophantic "nuance" and interpretive revisions are going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

not free, just discounted.....

why else do you think he went with a small business loan from the gubmint?

 

Show us one bridge built by "government", and I'll show you a bridge built "of the people" first, "by the people" second, and "for the people" to use if they choose, lastly.

 

The Government BUILDS NO BRIDGES without the citizens money. Who pays the most for these bridges to be built????? <--- It's not a trick question you Liberals that have never run a business.

 

"Discounted" ? Seems to me that with so many moochers on the government teat, that those with viable businesses are not receiving any "discount" or "bargain" !!!

I am not shocked at how liberals see things. They "exist", and therefore, they are owed.

 

nothing in that post made sense....somehow its a govt loan because people get welfarE? wtf

 

which business owner paid for bridges and roads before they used them?

sounds like they got help.....