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Liberalism-Stupid and selfish

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ELOrocks17, Jul 28, 2012.

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  1. ELOrocks17

    ELOrocks17 New Member

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    It pains me to have to point this out, But liberalism is going to be the downfall of America...hell even life itself. THey happily support abortion, drug legalization, gay marriage (no pro-creation) and support the rights of individuals over society as a whole..in essence they worship death. How can any sane person follow this lunacy? Liberalism must end if we are to survive as a nation
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, that's one view... a horribly idiotic and biased view, but it is one view.
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    I did not know individualism is a problem. Tell me, do you prefer collectivism? If so, you may be one of few conservatives to consider subservience to overbearing authority more important than natural rights and freedoms.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  5. thediplomat2.0

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  6. ELOrocks17

    ELOrocks17 New Member

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    No, what i hate is that if 99 people out of 100 like having church bells ringing at noon every day, and 1 person doesnt, suddenly the ACLU is suing the town for 10 million to get it to stop because of 1 agitator. Conversely, if voters continually vote down gay marriage over and over and over again, its irrelevant to libs, they feel because of thier selfish desires to ruin societal norms, that everyone MUST conform. Thats total facism.
     
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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    The problem with that is, in regards to gay marriage, nobody has to conform. Nobody is being forced to be gay, nobody is being forced to have a same-sex marriage, and nobody is being forced to like either of those two things.

    What's actually selfish, is the right's desire to prohibit fair and equal marriage laws because homosexuality makes them uncomfortable, even though allowing it changes their lives 0%.
     
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    Well, by your logic, I guess we should still have legal slavery in this country. Ending it and the legal discrimination that came after was certainly no overnight fight.

    The average GOP conservative these days doesn't just resist change, but is absolutely terrified of change. I hate to break it to you guys, but the world is constantly changing whether you like it or not. Either adapt, or go the way of the neanderthals.
     
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    To achieve greater liberty and freedom, society must change. Still, the rights and freedoms of the individual may not deprive or hinder the rights and freedoms of other individuals. This is a core tenet, in my opinion, and of countless philosophers such as Locke, Hobbes, and Rousseau, of liberal thought. It is the rule of law, namely the rule of natural law.
     
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    ELOrocks17 New Member

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    Wrong.
    Gay marriage opens a door...a door to other things, like incest, child molestation, beastiallity. etc. Think it cant happen? It is happening
     
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    In a democracy, majority rules, but dont tell liberals, they only want thier selfish agenda regardless of the damage to society.
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    The act of marriage in of itself, whether homosexual or heterosexual, does not conflict with the rights of other individuals. Unintended consequences such as incest, child molestation, beastiallity, etc. may be remedied through due process.
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    You are talking to a liberal.
     
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    1. Liberals don't support drug legalization. Liberal politicians conduct more drug raids than conservative ones.
    2. So supporting the rights of individuals over society is a "liberal" notion?
     
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    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    The rights and freedoms of the individual is a liberal notion. Some variants of Liberalism consider collective rights and freedoms equally important.
     
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    ELOrocks17 New Member

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    You mean like "Affirmative action"?
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    It is "liberalism" if you're speaking of the 19th century definition, but definitions change.
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the face of Obama's collectivist screed, I'm not sure where anyone can come to the conclusion that neo-liberalism supports the rights of the individual over "society"....

    "classical" liberalism...yes....
    not the dangerous ideology that's been frog boiled into modern American psyche by progressive leftists.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eh...

    I'd probably feel more strongly about it if it didn't sound like it was written by a twelve year old.
     
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    Freedom of choice is a good thing. Liberalism supports that half way, and conservatism does.

    Where both sides deviate from it is where I would suggest the stupidity lies.
     
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    ELOrocks17 New Member

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    Umm..it was speciffically "Dumbed down" so liberals could understand..looks like it worked
     
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    I don't think that procreation is the most important thing in the world (although I do like kids). But I don't think makes me part of the anti-life equation.

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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's pure rubbish. Hell, I'd feel bad putting that next to other garbage, that's how incredibly moronic what you just said is.

    I'm sorry, but there is only one thing in the world that is a fitting response to the excrement that was your reply.

    [video=youtube_share;p7w64fbqYQY]http://youtu.be/p7w64fbqYQY[/video]
     
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    Ok, what do you support? That is the typical comment of a fascist. Ok.
     
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    Neoliberalism, a modern liberal variant, upholds rights of the individual as well.
     
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