Do you have to feel guilty if you are an american? Since the rest are suffering?

The progressives and the pro-intervene flock would list afghanistan, iraq syria laos cambodia etc etc the list go on and on to enunciate one point: you should help those people, the method can be discussed, but as for the matter of whether the help itself should be provided, it is out of the discussion.

I would argue we should provide nothing to help no one beyond the US border at all, either through military operation or humanitarian effort.

First of all, in an ideal scenario, every penny made by US citizens are under buyer's consent. I sell you coca cola, you have every rights to buy it and not. I didn't point a gun at you and coerced you into buying nothing.

Second, how is their well-being has any correlation with any US citizen at all? If there is a little girl starving in congo, how is it my problem? I didn't take her rice and beans away?

And if you love freedom so much, you can work your way to america, there are even north koreans migrated to the US.

AND, if you care your old country so much that you want what you have in US to be enjoyed by your home country, ****. If you want to fight democratic process for your old country, get your ass the (*)(*)(*)(*) out all the way back there, if your ukrainian american, there are non-ukrainian american who couldn't give less rats asses about ukraine.

But that's not really the case is it?

First, a little kuwait girl screaming in tears about the atrocity committed by Saddam, and then... we all know the rest.

Did Bush Sr. went to iraq to liberate kuwaiit people? Horsedump! It's about FIELDS! OIL FIELDS!

But would one war after another, be passed if it hadn't been the bleeding heart asshats amongst you and me? What if everyone is selfish and apathetic? What if people all think like this: Saddam is gassing his people again? Cool, BTW, there's a new sushi place opening down town, wanna come?

How many wars would be started?

And who were killed by the righteous US military exactly? Besides innocent civilians? A bunch of peasant conscript who wants nothing more than a living, you'd think every people, every young man in the world were brain washed into chauvinistic nationalists like what US do to her young people, eh? BTW, there are still smart ones who work for uncle Sam (or Tom) because of tuition fees.

And do I have to mention syria? Hilary and Obama have gotten their way, now they have a full-blown civil war. How would any civilian benefit from a civil war?

If you are a liberal and you think you are innocent, you are so wrong. The most bleeding heart people are you asshoes. You guys are champions. You pumped tons of food to africa and guess what? You successfully helped africans developed sloth, in some places, every time a truck load of food had stopped, you have robust males tramping the young and women to 'help' unloading them.

What africa need is not the grace and charity of a bunch of white middle class yuppies, they need a healthy market environment, something can't be brought about by charity in a million years.

And there are "observer groups" in the US actively meddling the labor status in vietnam, china and other southeast countries. What do they do exactly? Teach "labor rights" to workers there, sometimes launch strikes. You know something funny? Workers there turn down their 'generous' offer and kick them away — those workers have better plans for themselves. They are happy about what they have.

And you know who INSIDE THOSE COUNTRIES exactly are these "observer groups" headquartered in the US WORKING WITH? Far leftwing radicals, people those countries tried their best to get rid of.

And what would happen if these (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) in US really got what they wished for? The massive slide of competitiveness of labor forces in those country. In other words, those people will NEVER HAVE A COLD CHANCE IN HELL to get out of POVERTY.

The hawks want war, they are greedy, they have no morals, but they can not work on their own. They always need tools and useful idiots to support them — and there are no better tools and idiots than a bunch of knows-no-better bleeding heart libbies.

Do you have to feel guilty for people in 3rd world nations if you are an american?

(*)(*)(*)(*) no.

 

Being upper - white class American is pretty sweet. And no, I don't care what happens in the world.

Social Darwinism. God bless it

 

Yeah...just string em all up, right Jethro???

 

That's not Darwinism. Don't do anything. Non-intervention is a favored American directive among the population, isn't it?

 

USA food tyranny is only the start, of you want to discuss the rest of the world... Water tyranny, resource tyranny. Local governments cannot exist without connection to the world banking system and treaty agreements that tie the countries into economic servitude to the US system.

 

I can only speak for Laos, and yes the global community is doing great work in helping out.

 

Interesting tactic, unfortunately when the US stops sending aid oversea's another world war invariably breaks out. The US is inextricably linked to the international architecture and without it sending food oversea's, invading countries for resources or trade embargoing people there would be no 'international order' to speak of. We won WW2 and forced the Russians into bankruptcy therefore we called the shots. We still do but when we stop throwing our weight around and acting as the imperial power we are our quality of life will suffer and not recover.

Essentially before we could forseeably become isolationist we would have to be self-sufficient in energy. That is my only reservation, until then we need a large military and diplomatic service to get our voice heard and administer the world as we have always intended to do. It is a complex mixture of military might and altruism that maintains Pax Americana for without it the oil would surely stop flowing especially as China continues industrializing and buys us out of our own stocks.

 

No it is not, Laos is still in shambles, if the help is so great, why nothing had improved?

 

You realize that's just subtle white supremacism, right?

That's so not true, if you want to buy oil, you can always get it, you don't need troops by the oil fields?

 

I think you fail to realise what the biggest problem is in Laos and what the one single major factor holding back development is.

Hint, things the size of tennis balls buried in the ground that go bang. Between 30 and 80 million of them.

 

Oh yea, blame the heritage of war. How convenient.

 

It's downright inconvenient.. You know fcuk all!

 

I know a feasible solution but it's gonna sound too capitalistic, so nah...

 

Who put them there?

 

we should increase everyones taxes to 90%, and send all the money to africa. WTF

 

Who do you think?

 

Maybe in your mind. My reference is actually based upon 'white people' fighting when the US left them to it after not joining the League of Nations (isolationism) after WW1. The fact of the matter is that the US remains the sole source of security for many parts of the world. US power alone keeps aspiring regional and global empires based upon despotism/authoritarianism in check. While the US may not be a saint the alternative is far worse. China, Russia, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia it doesnt matter, if they were hegemon the world would be dictated on far harsher terms than today, just take a look at how the Nazi's treated their puppets or how the Soviets managed their 'sphere'. Race has nothing to do with it, just human nature.

Well that's not really the case. It is foolish to think that American oil companies would not sell the last remaining drops of American oil to Chinese buyers who were willing to pay more than their American counterparts. The fact remains that the US is a declining power (relatively) and will not be able to guarantee it's oil supply especially as the world becomes more and more polarized. We have the military might and until we're self sufficient in energy we will have to keep guaranteeing this supply through a combination of diplomacy and coercion (or are they the same lol?).

Ultimately we are waking up each and every day to find that the world is already like that of the late 19th century in Europe. The US is the UK, the EU is France, Russia is Russia (lol) and who is Germany? I'll leave that for you to decide...

With the Chinese, Indians, Brazilians, the wily Russians, Indonesians and Nigerians all entering into the 'fray' of international politics we already see before us cyber/economic wars raging, bloc's scurrying for markets and resources in Africa (once more) and a naval arms race that has not been seen since the first half of the 20th century. Oh yeah, we're already there and unless the US is prepared to capitalize upon our position and seize the resources necessary to carry us through a hypothetical confrontation with the aforementioned powers then we can kiss our way of life goodbye!

 

US meddled enough before, during and after WWI! You don't have to use troops to get in others' business?

No, the US is not, capitalism is! Brazil don wanna invade argentina because of trade, not because of US?!?! Godam you conservative hilly billies!

Not so convincing. Oh I get it, the US is a mafia boss too, but he is a good mafia boss. Well who decide US is the good one? Because he is the biggest of all? Again, not so convincing.

Ok, sell it! So? What kind of commie ratass bastard is against corporate seeking profits? If US corps is selling the last drop, that only means US had successfully found an alternative energy source to fossil fuel, hooray! You need some guts to say that US won't raise prices too to keep the juice flowin'.

US has oil up in her skirt more than she can use! Why? Because US is constantly prepared for war! See the catch 22 here? Why war? Because of oil, why oil? Because of war. This is a loop of death!

Oh your gonna say China. Look, the Chinese need US probably more than US need them. Who's gonna print the green if the Chinese bust out gun blazin' at US? The only logical reason for China to wage a war on US is that walmart is moving on to other countries.

Okay you know what? I got a better idea, let's just invade Africa, kill a whole bunch of n-word, then take what ever we want, how's that? You know since we have to be 'prepared', let's make the preparation as early as possible. And we don't have to worry about the world community, we are the biggest dildo in the bloc, remember?

You see the problem? If 'our way of life' is built on military supremacy and intimidation (which isn't, it is based on fair trade), then it's our ways to be changed!

 

Before? Insofar as the politics of trade are concerned. Let me be frank, the Europeans were the ONLY reason WW1 happened. Yes it's true you do not have to use 'hard' power to achieve political objectives but the US had no real 'soft' power at the time because it had not used it's 'hard' power to protect the smaller, weaker countries, yet. This is how one achieves 'soft' power. During? Yeah in the last year of the war lol. After? You're kidding me right? The US just straight up pulled out of international affairs quite content to meddle only for the bosses in Wall Street and not altruism.

My point with the South American countries is that Brazil definitely has its own view of the world and not so coincidentally this is largely the same as the US/EU because of common ancestry/experience. Brazil will want to eventually meddle in other peoples affairs and will butt heads with the US. While not preferable the US definitively has a better approach for international management then Brazil. Concerning Argentina, Brazil is not going to invade them and vice versa however the fact that Argentina is demanding sovereignty of the Falkland Islands even though the islanders choose to be British goes against international law. This is not a advantageous precedent to establish.

Quit getting caught up in idealism. Like it or not there is a hierarchy in international politics, a hierarchy that if broken would compromise your living standards. It's very elementary, we can either have a global hegemon that actually believes in things like independent judiciary, popular vote, accountability etc or one that flagrantly disregards that. Again, the US is not perfect but at least there are actually principles it abides to.

Said corporation's slavish devotiong to the free market is commendable, that is not up for debate. What is up for debate is the US figuring out its energy situation but still needs vast quantities of oil to fertilize its crops, manufacture its plastics, synthesise fake materials for tires and its two bit good for nothing oil company (which by the way would be a government controlled zombie corporation in an authoritarian state) literally starving the domestic population because the soil is so lacking in nutrients it needs oil injections of nitrogen much like the junkie needs a hit. Face it even after oil, we still are far too dependent on it for our food supply as is everyone else in the world.

Not so. While the US is constantly prepared for war this is out of necessity. When your whole economy depends upon it, yes you need to be prepared to invade others for it. I'm not against switching to alternative energy, its just no one seems to grasp how truly addicted we are. Where would we get all of the nitrogen necessary for our food production? What about your tires on your car? How about the clothes your wearing? Grow fabric to make your clothes? How would you fertilize the soil? A vicious loop your right but your sensationalising minute details.

Au Contraire. China certainly springs to mind but there are many other worthy contenders. The Chinese don't need us more than we need them. Who financed the War on Terror? Who is not in a recession and is actually still booming (by selling to other markets)? They would print the green for their own war and likely cause a collapse of the dollar.

Well sadly enough thats what China is already doing. I'm not advising that, in fact I find the idea repugnant. Helping the Africans? I'm down. The problem is (and quite rightly so) the Africans view any outside help as colonial meddling and they have clocked onto this with the Chinese as they suck their oil, diamonds and gold dry. There is already a proxy war going on between the NATO, Islamic fundamentalists and China in Africa.

No, our way of life is built on oil. Everyone is trying to emulate us and acquire as much oil as possible. Sure we could change little details but to be blunt, the world population as we know it would dramatically reduce in size without a regular supply of oil. The earth cannot produce enough food, clothes and shelter for 7 billion people hence we use complex chemistry on oil to circumvent this.

 

I didn't, so I don't really give a (*)(*)(*)(*). How do you like them apples?