Obama's Disgraceful Response to the Attacks on US Embassy and Consulate

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  1. Jack Napier

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    Who cares about them?

    Not Jews.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Abolish the ERC, lift all oil drilling restrictions, build more refineries and cause an oil glut that will most likely significantly constrict the flow the of US dollars to the ME in the form of fuel purchases. Keep developing alternate fuel sources active but, solely in the PRIVATE sector. No special government handouts for 'green' crap. These radical bastards are being FUNDED and without those FUNDS they will shrivel. Problem solved. Not a shot fired.
     
  3. Jethro

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    Get used to it folks and look at the evidence...9/11 was an inside job...the evidence points to the administration, not only allowing it to happen, but actually participated in it..I am sure Obama is fully aware of this fact!
     
  4. Heroclitus

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    Hey you should talk to jack. He posts the same filth about Jews.

    The demons are the imaginings of medieval priests conjuring up Beelzeebub to frighten away the peasants. Sad.

    Christ certainly wouldn't approve of demonizing a billion of God's creatures. As to your list of crimes carried out by a minority of islamic extremists, do you approve of the litany of crimes carried out by Christians over the centuries? Can you explain the difference between a Halal method of slaughter and Kosher one? Perhaps you could explain why the French are not all in Hell for what they do to geese and ducks, or the Spanish Christians for the way they treat bulls. The venomous hatred of a sixth of God's people is sick. The characterization of a billion people by associating them with the crimes of islamic extremists in Iran and Afghamistan is dishonest. Have you been to Indonesia, Malaysia or Turkey?

    To equate islamofacsists with all muslims is a monstrous act of Hitlerian hatred. Again, I propose you compare notes with Jack. All you need to argue about is whether you are talking about Jews or muslims.

    You would be wise to as everything you are posting here would invite a rebuke from Him.

    I wonder if you can take it down the end of your street. When was the last time you were in a muslim country? How many boys did you see being raped? Islamic extemists don't hate you. You feed their machine with posts like this. From your posts, you think how they think. They hate liberals like me more than anyone.

    That is why I see allies in islamic countries, people that we work alongside to destroy such scum. I know that the spies who risk their necks infiltratiing terrorist networks are muslims. I know that the Qatari airmen who fly to bomb Qaddafi are muslims. I know that the women who fight Ahmaninajad and pay with their lives are muslims. I know that the fellow in my avatar is a muslim, campaigning for a democracy in Egypt at the risk of his life. I know muslims who decry the extremism of some of their coreligionists and who die for this daily in Iraq and Afghansitan, killed by extremists because they embrace Western liberalism. I have been to muslim countries. You can't scare me with scare stories of monsters at the borders.

    These people are my brothers and sisters, not the fascist Western scum who want to lay waste to whole nations and whole cultures. It is because the soft power of liberal capitalism has permeated so deep into the world that there are enlightened muslims who will come over to our (not your) side. This makes the islamofascist scum hate people like me more and more. Do they hate people like you? Of course they don't. You do their bidding with your fantasy of exterminating a billion people, of "Christian" armageddons and Days of Judgement. You feed their machine every time you spew such fith onto your typewriter. This is what they want from the West. They want us to hate all muslims. And that is what you deliver with posts like this. They rejoice at every piece of filth like this that is posted on the web. I wouldn't be surprised if they pose as Western fascists just to post it.

    America is plagued by the filth of Christian fundamentalism, people whose sould are filled with evil and venom. They are joined by secular fascists, who have turned their Jew hatred of old into islam hatred today.

    The usual visceral hatred of someone whom one fears and feels inferior to: swivel eyed, paranoid, ju-ju stuff. The hurdy gurdy man is coming to get you. Wooooooooooh!!!!
     
  5. Heroclitus

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    Jack, you said you didn't say it. But you did didn't you. I think it is you that needs to keep up. It's a classic:

    Jack: Incinerate the Jews with a nuke
    Hero: So you want to incinerate Jews
    Jack: Where did I say that, show me or "button up"
    Hero: You said "Incinerate the Jews with a nuke"
    Jack: Oh yes and quite right too...keep up

    Keep up? You are all over the place mate. Getting hammered. Like a Jack in the box: I hate Jews, no I don't , I hate Jews, no I don't.

    Losing it!
     
  6. DivineComedy

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    Ex-fracking-cuse me is POLITICO our embassy between the White House and the world now?

    "we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions"

    The headline should have said:

    "The Embassy of the United States condemns Koran..."

    There is certainly no need to quote it, the irony should be obvious, especially to idolators and those exceeding the limits.

    "respect for religious beliefs [cannibalism] is a cornerstone of American democracy."

    "respect for religious beliefs [Negroids are Kenites, decendants of Cain, and the mark is upon them] is a cornerstone of American democracy."

    Oh, wait, it is official:

    Clinton said: "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others [that Negroids are Kenites, decendants of Cain, and the mark is upon them]. Our commitment to religious tolerance [of cannibalism, and eating the brains of our dead and those slain in battle] goes back to the very beginning of our nation."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...e-u.s-apologize-for-the-cairo-embassy-attack/

    The free exercise of religion is tempered by other amendments in the Bill of Rights, and by the Supreme Court. There is no such thing as respect for religious beliefs being a cornerstone of ANY democracy; it is respect for freedom to choose, and the restrictions any higher court places on it, that is the cornerstone. It was not establishing religion upon the States that is the cornerstone that had our new nation paying tribute:

    "It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Background_and_overview

    "The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages." (ibid)

    ******

    Nothing has changed. The instant we condemn or deplore those that do not acknowledge the so-called "Prophet," the instant we lose freedom to choose.

    Most religious texts and religions offend at least some other religion's believers, you cannot really call it a religion if they do not.
     
  7. Tyrerik

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    Well that's good however it doe show that despite the predicatability of such episodes the administration hasn't a properly thought out strategy in place to deal with them. The fact that it has lead to at least one death of an American in the arsen attack on the US consulate in Libya suggest that the danger has still not been acknowledged and sufficiently addressed. Given prior incidents I find that a disgrace and until action is taken to firmly establish a proper response we can only expect many more of such episodes with death and destruction to follow. We live in a world where anyone can make a fictional film, draw a picture, burn a Quran etc. and publish it to the world on the net for whatever reason. States have a duty to educate their people to understand that this is the situation and that it is completely nonsensical for such actons to result in widespread anger among another people living a world away let alone rioting and murder. The proper response then is to take steps to ensure other states meet that responsibility and at the same time take the necessary precautiuons against the dangers where they do not.
     
  8. Abu Sina

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    Well done Obama for once.

    No doubt yesterday you were thinking the same things Egyptians were thinking and why this happened.
     
  9. Margot

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    I am glad Obama apologised..

    The producer/director of the film is in hiding and states the embassies should improve their security.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...e-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459
     
  10. Tyrerik

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    Margot this is not the time to be thinking about the film but about your ambassador murdered in his embassy along with three other diplomatic staff, surely even you can understand that is far more significant than some stupid propaganda film.
     
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    4 people are dead now.. I think that matters.

    Who do you think produced and directed the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed film?
     
  12. Gilos

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    Even if someone makes a porn movie about Muhamad, why should its creator hide?

    The movie looks very bad taste and anti-Muslim, but it doesnt excuse death or injury, appologising for that only stir things up IMO
     
  13. Tyrerik

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    What does it matter who produced the film, it could have been produced by anyone. Films like this are produced all the time, ask Abu or any of the other countless extremists on here. Anyone with a videocamera and a PC can produce a film.

    Now how do you suggest more of your ambassadors don't get murdered in their embassies, by stopping all those with a videocamera and a PC from making films?
     
  14. Heroclitus

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    I completely agree. I will take on all the islamophobe scum that I can find. But Western democracies permit freedom of expression and if extremist scum in muslim lands want to kill our diplomats they should feel the consequences. The USA has absolutely nothing to apologize for. This action was not by the USA. Only the totalitarian mindset can confuse an action by some people with an action by their government. The US government may condemn the film as tasteless and inflamatory but it is perfectly entitled to leave its makers unmolested without having its diplomats endangered in any way. The reaction of the USA on this matter should be unequivocally to demand that the authorities track down and punish the perpetrators or, failing that, for the CIA to do the same thing. People with little tradition of democracy and freedom need to be made to understand that freedom of expression is protected by the rule of law and that mob rule will be strongly resisted.
     
  15. Heroclitus

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    The film was aired once to an empty theatre in California.

    The USA has absolutely nothing to apologize for.

    The USA should make Libya and Egypt pay a heavy price for allowing this to happen. This is grossly unacceptable.

    On a side issue these islamofascist bigots couldn't have done more damage to islam if they had tried: (1) they have given this film massive publicity and (2) they have brought islam into disrepute by associating it with mob rule, just as the USA brought democracy into disrepute at Abu Gharaib. Only these scum have killed four people.
     
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    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
    ~~~ Barrack Hussein Obama

    ..... quote from page 261 of “The Audacity of Hope” by first (and hopefully last) Muslim POTUS Barrack Hussein Obama.

    _________________________________

    Sharia law would have Sandra Fluke's genitals cut off.
    Sharia law would have Bill Maher strung up for his nasty mouth.
    Sharia law would have homosexuals put to death.

    This is what Democrats defend? Yet they call Republicans the ones who hate? This is proof that Liberals and Democrats suffer from a mental disorder.

    And in that context we have this:

    "The Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot published a startling report Monday detailing a message it says was conveyed by the Obama administration – via two European countries – to Iranian officials. The request: if Israel decides to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, the U.S. will not support it and the Islamic Republic should refrain from retaliating on U.S. military installations in the Persian Gulf."

    >>
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pap...-iran-if-israel-attacks-we-wont-get-involved/

    And all this as he purposely destroys our economy with insane unsustainable debt.

    Obama is a traitor. He should be impeached, arrested and imprisoned for life.
     
  17. Heroclitus

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    This thread seems to be broken. Im posting to see if I can fix it
     
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    If your attitude is an example of 'christianity' in action, then no one in their right mind would want to be associated with 'christians'.
     
  19. Tyrerik

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    According to the filmmaker if it is him and not one of the other candidates like a Coptic Egyptian. In the clips I saw it looked like a very ameuter production, produced with limited resources and no attention to details. The actors appeared to be acting for a lark giving it a spoof nature like Monty Python except totally lacking in humour.

    The statement from the embassy was not really an apology but an affirmation of principles of tolerance however given the circumstances it was very ill advised as it was a recognition of harm done.

    Libya and Egypt will pay a heavy price for this in any case in terms of foreign investment credibility and general world sentiment. What is needed is for this to mark a turning point in Western policy dealing with this issue of perceived insults to Islam. The Islamic world has got to be made to realise that just as any other group Muslims have to live with this kind of inflamatory propaganda. It shouldn't really be so difficult since much of this emanates from the Islamic world itself.

    I agree, I'd never heard of this film before now but then I don't believe the reaction is genuinely hurt religious feelings at all. I believe the reaction is very simply an effort to establish control and in this case the more publicity the better if one takes respect for Islam as given by its divine nature as the word of God. This makes Islam very different in the eyes of religious Muslims to man made democracy.

    Yes, these scum have killed four people however not just four people but an ambassador and his colleagues who represent their nation. The human tragedy is the same naturally however their representation makes this an attack on USA and all Americans indeed to some extent all Westerners who actually helped in protecting them against the oppressive forces of their dictator in their fight to overthrow him.
     
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    Nonsense , international financial investors are motivated by profits , what returns can be gained , NOT by sentiments . By the end of next week, this matter will have been pushed aside by some other incident .

    IMO _ anyone who goes out of their way to deliberating - knowingly cause offense to other must be prepared to expect a reaction .

    Sympathy goes for the Ambassador + other's families , victims were in wrong place at wrong time. -

    I cant resist mentioning that nothing like it would have happened (give the devil his due ) during Saddam's reign. )
    If there's an after-life , he's very likely laughing his wotsits off.

    ..
     
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    That would be a relief to find if it didn't illustrate the incompetence and carelessness in Washington that results in one of our embassies freelancing on its own. It's both ridiculous and unacceptable that a statement was released in Cairo without the White House's prior authorization and direction.
     
  22. Tyrerik

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    You're obviously not an investor! Stability is a key factor looked at by investors and an incident of this nature shakes up confidence in that for sure. There's big gains to be made sitting at the casino tables but its not for serious investors but gamblers willing to most likely lose trying to get those big gains. Its not what can be gained but balancing it against what can be lost that counts. No it wont be forgotten. this time next week we'll have a better idea of the damage but you can be pretty sure the number of prospective Western investors willing to board a plane for Libya will have shrunk considerably!
     
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    So you're saying that you'd prefer us to bomb first and ask questions later?
     
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    I agree but lets leave politics out of it and give them a little tit or tat if you know what I mean. Let send in the Air Force and blow them to heck and back. Lybia owes us more than appology. Catch the cowards and turn them over to us. Maybe we can give them a ride on a navy ship and see how far the can swim.
     
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    It's crusaders like you and Pat Roberston who feed the muslims perception that they are being persecuted by the West.
     

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