Kissinger: Israel will not exist in 10 years

Indeed, I work in an Interbational Organization, about 46 countries are members and the Israeli board is very respected, in fact my Boss was elected twice to be the the International president of that Org, I work with Europe alot and I know most ppl see the complex situation, I know of the kind of ppl that visit this site as well, Im happy to find a glimpe of light even at my worst fanatic enemies

 

Gilos, the first sentence of all popular nursery school fairy tales begin with "Once upon a time "

Yes, some "Jews" did convert to Christianity and later Islam, but you choose to minimize that long before Islam reached the Caucasus - there was mass conversion of Khazars to Judaism following the example set by their King when he adopted Judaism.

read + learn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulan_(Khazar)



An atheist Jew is a new "breed" of the 20th centuary

Not entirely true . Most early Zionist leaders + Communists i.e. Marx) (Incl.Herzl/Ben Gurion .etc. were atheists .

Now have a laugh

[video=youtube;h2j9GCtqVX0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2j9GCtqVX0[/video]



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Yea, but the bible is a reliable source of history as so many relics confirm, I knew you'd like it.

Why "Jews" instead of Jews ?

 

Ill watch later, dont have speakers now.

 

Yeh , that's according to bible myths but Gilos, I learn that its far more interesting , that the land was inhabited by other people before the Hebrews - ( wild tribes of runaway Egyptian slaves) invaded the land of Canaan.



"Judah himself was not Yehudi (Judean) by nationality, according to the Holy Torah. It must be pointed out that Judah himself was a native born Syrian (Aramean) of Paddan-aram, born by a Syrian (Aramean) mother. "


I hope you find the following informative + a supplement to your Zionist lessons. its says :

"Judah himself was not Yehudi (Judean) by nationality, according to the Holy Torah. It must be pointed out that Judah himself was a native born Syrian (Aramean) of Paddan-aram, born by a Syrian (Aramean) mother. "

MORE here

http://comeyouout.hubpages.com/hub/The-Original-Judean-People


However , I do not believe anyone coming forward todays claiming - to be descendents from

... any of those biblical characters have a legitimate right to land ownership. do you ?




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Swerve. I'm referring to European Ashkenazi jews who make up about 80 percent of modern day jewry. To be clear, I'm saying that their distinct ethnicity traits enable me to be able to distinguish between the aformentioned jews and non-jews. I hope I have clarified matters for you and I apolgize if what I said before was in any way misleading. It's odd to me that your overt sensitivities equated my right to point out that obvious fact, to being some kind of Nazi.

Now, Liebe, I have frequented numerous Unite Against Fascist demonstrations here in London against the kind of bonehead fascists you accuse me of being. I agree with Germany and other European nations in their decisions to make the denial of the Holocaust a criminal offence. The latter puts me at odds even with some of the most strident anti-fascists. I'm the last person deserving of being attributed with the epithet, Nazi.

 

Nope that does not suffice. What distinct physical characteristics did you mean? I repeat, that these were your words, not mine. You sure seem to get along like a house on fire with those fascists you so disagree with, who BTW just loved your "spot the joos nose" racist rubbish.

Now how do you claim to recognize them? Why the secrecy around this?

 

That reminds me, I need to go drop the Obama's off at the Oval Office.

 

RELIABLE ? reliable ? HAHAHa - you've gotta be kidding.

Did you ever question Liebe, calling them Joooz ?

Amongst the many theories/ stories + fairy tales, one is that when Muslims invaded from the south , majority Jewish Khazars fled north . ,

 

Its a "myth" as long as no other evidence are found to confirm it, as for now alot of the historic events described ther including nations and ruler names did check out to be true, perhaps we will find more evidence to go back to king David and before that, for now we mostly have evidence for the 2nd Temple era.

Yes there were, the one nation that established its cultural center there and still exists today are the Jews,

BTW, I saw a program on Discovery about a new theory that suggests the Hebrews did not come from outside Canaan but are actually were slaves at the city-states of Canaan and revulted, then created there own Myth there after, the scholars based it on the facts that no evidence have been found to the Hebrew travel throu Sinai but did find evidence to the City - state destruction as described in the Bible by Jushua. also DNA that connects the Jews to the Middle east ppl instead of another area should they been invaders (something like that dont remeber it all).

If we go back enough we all have the same ansector y'know..., Judah could come from France and it wont really change Jewisg\h history would it?, we are not talking about the origin of a man but on the Jewish kingdom and their decendants.

Would it matter if we say that Ata Turk was blond and had a Germaic accsent?

lol, "Zionist lessons", I didnt have "Zionist lessons" nor "Jewish lessons".

True or not changes nothing...., there were 12 tribes as you know and we dont need to prove that Judha sprang out of the mud of the land to prove a Jewish link to it....., the Kingdom existed I supplied you many Arch findings from Syria and Iraq not to mention Egypt that confirm it, the world scholars agree, the Quran agrees, everyone do execpt very few actually.

You are looking at it wrong, its not my link to king David that gives me right to live here, its my Jewish heritage + the modern history of Israel that does, since the 19th centuray till now.


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Please point out where I said "spot the joos nose". Here's a clue: I didn't. The clarification above is for the retarded. Duh!... To reiterate, I'm able to recognize them because of their distinct ethnicity traits and that makes me a Nazi.....Awkaaaaay!

 

For a person that likes to tell ppl to "go learn" im a bit supprised at your reply, its new to you that historians see the Bible as an Historic source?

She is being sarcastic, you are denying they are Jews, Im asking you why do you deny it?

According to wiki the majurity were not even Jews but lets say you are right, lets say they ran North, you had Roman Jews since the Romans took them as slaves, we have Jewish catacobs in Rome that proves a 50k communittee in around the 4th centuray, so in Greece and ofc the Muslim countries,

Khazars might have added but not replaced other Jews in the world.

 

I worry the world is SICK of Jews. I do agree with Kissinger though. I think they're all going to be murdered and their property stolen and there isn't a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing anyone can or will do about it. I'd love to be surprised but I pay enough attention to know some people become extinct. It happens. But if the purpose of Israel is to give them a place of independence, and they are dependent upon the USA, they've already failed at their reason for being. Where the remaining Jews will go is anyone's guess. What did that guy from Turkey shout? "Back to Auschwitz?"

A local radio host opined a few years back, "If Israel were a stock, I'd short it."

 

yOU'VE earlier claim it to be RELIABLE " Hmmm. sure , complete with god speaking through Angels/burning. bushes , Adam + Eve , Jonah lived in a whale, God so loved the world that he drowned every S O B who would'nt listen to him,- including those who've never heard of him.

All good reliable history. right ? Hmmm.

Thanks for admitting that Jews come in all shapes /colours/sizes incl. the Khazar input . which many other Jews for some odd reason seek to deny.



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I know you mean well and ofc you undestand my point.

There is no deny the Khazar history, in fact I would be proud to learn I have some of that savage blood in me


You didnt respond to the fact it doesnt change Jewish history, I guess you need to chew on that a bit more.

 

No one denies the existance of Khazar jews. They just deny that Khazars are descended from people in Russia who converted to Judaism when the genetic evidince is that they are descended from Jews from the region of Israel.

 

Well, it does demonstrate your disdain of jews is based upon race. The genetic material that courses through their veins. Like Hitler.

 

I remain unconvinced and good reason to be skeptical people claim "genetic evidence" to support their political agendas . Whatever that may be, it doesnt give them the right to displace non-Jewish Palestinians coz they were kicked out of Europe where they've resided for 2 millenia, does it ?

The unwanted Jews of europe had no intention of sharing the land with non-Jews, they came with a plan to establish/ create and control as much land as they could grab, and are still encrouching and the thieves are still stealing as much as can.




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Jews are NOT a race and whatever anyone says here has f-all to do Hitler.

btw - "Jews" went out of their way to make enemies of other people - "since time immemorial "
they've always thought of themselves as fekking superior which is a reason why other people are'nt very fond of them.

If you listened closely to some of Jackie Mason, the Jewish comedian's subtly disguised jokes/ material , then you might understand what I mean.

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Huh? What disdain? Ah, that will be the disadain whereby I've been confronted by Nazi thugs on demos and the disdain illustrative of my opinion that Holocaust denial ought to be a criminal offence.....Gotcha!..... Oh, and jews are not a race and I never made such an absurd claim.

 

Its the usual Zionist/pro-zionist Plonkers tactics , of name calling , i.e. anti-senite or Hollacoast (sic) Shoah - denier.

She said "In europe if someone criticize Israel we bring up the holocost - in america if someone criticize Israel we call them anti-semitic"

Crafty swines . (wink)



[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]


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Many anti-Semites complain that modern Jews are not the Biblical Jews but are descended from the Khazars. The Khazars converted to Judaism and thus
modern day Jews, it is claimed, are imposters who have no claim on the Land of Israel, Eretz Yisrael. This claim will be discussed in the following sections.

It is also interesting to note that the same anti-Semites who complain about the alleged contents of the Talmud, which was completed no later than 500 C.E.
also claim that the Jews of today are "self-styled Jews" descended from the Khazars who converted to Judaism in 740 C.E. Some even claim that the
"true" descendants of the Biblical Jews are the modern day "Aryans". So according to this "logic" the Talmud which they complain about would actually be an "Aryan" book and not that of the modern Jews! Its difficult
to see how they can reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions.

David S. Maddison(dmaddison@geocities.com)

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THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE
As for Ashkenazim being Khazars, for one thing there were Jews on the Rhine (who came with the Romans) long before there was a Khazaria and even before
many Germanic tribes settled there. In fact, the word Ashkenaz means Germany in Hebrew. Second, even if a group of Khazars abandoned their own homeland
and adopted Jewish peoplehood by conversion it still doesn't negate their right to the land of Israel. Even Moses's wives weren't born Hebrews and
Ruth the Moabitess was a convert (see Book of Ruth). Unlike the Germans, membership in the Jewish peoplehood is not based soley on blood.

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DESCENDED FROM KHAZARS?
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In the film, Ted Pike makes the assertion (as have most anti-Semitic groups, including the Nazis) that the Jews of European origin, the "Askhenazim" (who
comprise almost 80% of today's Jewry), are actually descended from medieval people called the Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 8thcentury.

The logic of the argument goes something like this; if 80% of all the Jews in tile world are not really Jews, then, firstly, these Jews have
absolutely no claim, biblical or otherwise, to the Land of Israel. Secondly, these Jews are in no way the people of God, and thus, have no place in the
promises or plans of God. Thirdly, if the vast majority of present-day Jews are not Jews (therefore, not Semitic) at all, then it cannot be considered
"anti-Semitic" to oppose them.

Pike states that 'Today, the Askhenazim, or Khazars, form the majority, around 80 %, of those who call themselves Jews." He claims that the Mongols
drove the Khazar-jews into Germany, Poland and Russia in the 13th century, and that these, not "real" Jews, are the people who now make up most of the
population of Israel. Quite simply, this is not true, as the basic analysis below will show.

The Khazars were a confederation of Turkish tribes who established a major commercial empire in the second half of the 6th century. As a trading
nation, they were faced with a dilemma; tile Christians would not trade freely with Muslim nations, and the Muslim nations would not trade freely with the Christian nations.
The Khazars did not want to be recognized asbeing more partial to one faith than the other. Therefore, around 740 C.E., King Bulan adopted Judaism, and thus, as a "neutral" people, the Khazars
could trade more freely with both the Christian and Muslim nations that bordered Khazaria.
It should be noted, however, that it was Only the "ruling class" that adopted Judaism, Not the general Khazar population, as Ted Pike
and the other anti-Semites claim (1). These Khazar-Jews had little, if any, contact with the central Jewish organisation in Iraq, or with the Jews who
still lived in Palestine (as the Romans had renamed the province of Judea in 135 C.E.). These Khazar-jews had, in fact, closer links with the (Christian)
Byzantine Empire, as can been seen by the fact that several Byzantine emperors, including Justinian II (704) and Constantine V (732), had
Khazarian wives.

By the 10th century the Khazar empire, faced with the growing strength of the Pechenegs to their north and west, and of the Russians around Kiev,
suffered a decline. Khazar power was crushed in 965 when the ruler of Kiev, Svyatoslav, launched a harsh military campaign against them. Many Khazars,
including some of those who had converted to Judaism, moved into Bohemia, Russia, Germany, and the Ukraine.

The main error with Pike's argument is his belief that the Khazar-jews are the ancestors of all those Jews who have lived in Northern or Eastern
Europe, and therefore, the Askhenazim (Jews of European origin) are not really Jews at all. This argument can be demolished very simply, by showing
that there were very large Jewish communities in Northern and Eastern Europe before the Khazar-Jews arrived there, and that these (with perhaps a tiny
percentage of Khazar-jews) are the ancestors of the Askhenazim. Thus, these Jews are clearly descended from the Jews of the Bible.

The first Jews to reach Germany were merchants who went there in the wake of the Roman legions, and settled in the Roman-founded Rhine towns. The
earliest detailed record of a Jewish community in Germany, referring to Cologne, is found in imperial decrees issued in 321 and 331 C.E. (2)

There were Jews in Russia from the first centuries C.E., although numbers there were small for several centuries. However, Jews emigrated to the
Caucasus and beyond, and formed countless communities, at the time of the wars between the Muslims and Persians during the 7th century.(3)

Jews arrived in Pannonia (Yugoslavia) and Romania in the Third Century(4), and in Hungary not long after. France also had large numbers of Jews living
there from an early period; Objects identified as Jewish because of the menorah portrayed on them have been discovered around Arles (first, fourth
and early fifth centuries) and Bordeaux and the neighboring region (third and early fourth centuries) Evidence of Jewish communities is abundant from
465 onwards.

Jews were, of course, living in all Mediterranean countries for many centuries B.C.E. and, as has been shown, were living in most other European
lands from a very early period. Thus, the claim of Ted Pike (and most other anti-Semitic groups) that the European Jews are from Khazar stock, falls
flat on its face. There may be a tiny minority of present-day Jews who are descended from Khazar-Jews, but almost all European Jews are descended
directly from the Jews of the Bible.

(1) Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 10, col. 944
(2) Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 7, col. 458
(3) Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 14, col. 433
(4) Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 16, col. 868

 

Same Link cont'd (Bogus "Khazar" charge.)

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WHO IS A JEW?

The video alleges that the Ashkenazim are Khazars and only the Sephardim are authentic Jews. In other words, that the majority of Jews in thhe world
today are descended from a heathen, nomad people from central Asia, and notfrom Abraham.

In support of this contention it states that Jewish missionaries went to Khazaria and as a result the king was converted in A.D. 740 and Rabbinic
Judaism became the state religion. It is averred that by the 10th century the Khazari people had convinced themselves that they were descended from
Abraham, that they settled in Poland, and that they were the Polish Jews from whom the Ashkenazim, who make up the greater part of Jewry today, were
descended. There is enough truth in this assertion to make it seem plausible
but unfortunately it flies against the facts.

The Jews who went to Khazaria did not go as missionaries, in the sense that we send out miissionaries today. When the Moslems overan Babylon, the Jews
were either expelled or freed to pay half their produce as tribute (13), and when Leo became the Byzantine Emperor one of the measures he passed was for
the compulsory conversion of all Jews to Christianity. As a result of these persecutions many Jews from Persia and Greece went to Khazaria to live.(2,3)

In about A.D.700 the Khazar king was converted to Islam and later to Judaism. A later king, Obadiah, greatly strengthened Judaism, inviting
rabbis into his Kingdom and building synagogues. Their Judaism - limited no doubt in any case to a comparitively small group (only the king, his
attendants and the Khazars of his kind) - was always superficial and they were liable to relapse into paganism. They became what could best be called
Judaized Turks. Religious toleration was maintained for the Kingdom's 300 years, with clear traces of Christianity being found among them for the
whole historical period.
The Predominating element in the country were the Muslims, and they formed the royal army(3).
In the 10th century, "probably in 965, Khazar leaders appealed to a neighbouring Islamic state for help against invasion but were told that the price of assistance was Khazaria's
conversion to Islam. According to Muslim historians the kingdom that had embraced Judaism around 740 suddenly abandoned it less than two and a half
centuries later. But this did not save them and by the end of the eleventh century the Khazar empire was no more."(1) There are persistent references
to the Khazars as Muslims after A.D. 965(3).

To encourage their own people, Jewish writers have tended to exaggerate the importance of the Khazar conversions to Judaism, leaving out unpalatable
facts. The smallest group among the Khazars were the Jews, most of them being Muslims and Christians. The king and his court were Jews for much of
their 300 years history and because religious toleration was maintained many persecuted Jews fled there. The fact is that rather than convince themselves
by the 10th century that they were Jews descended from Abraham, they found it expedient to convert to Islam.

On the linguistic side, well known Turcologist, A.N.Poliak, regards the Karaite Jews in Poland and the Crimea as the principal present-day
representatives of the ancient Khazars, (Karaitism is a minor sect of Judaism quite distinct from mainstream Judaisni) and 'investigations have
tended to establish the absence of western influences in Yiddish, though on the other hand affinities with German dialects of the east and south-east
have been indicated.'(3)

This is not to say that the occasional occurrence of a fair, light skinned, eastern European Jew doesn't indicate the possibility of some admixture of
Khazar blood. However from the thirteenth century there came a great movement across the face of Europe, which was to continue for the next four
centuries, to the hospitable lands of Poland and Lithuania.(5)' 'For long generations, therefore, Poland continued to appear in the light of a land of
promise for the Jews of northern Europe, and to receive a perpetual accession of new settlers - refugees escaping from massacre, young men
seeking opportunity, merchants from as far afield as Italy or the Balkans. In 1500, the number of Jews in the country is estimated to have been only
50,000 souls; a century and a half later, it had risen to half a million. ...so from the beginning of the sixteenth century the overwhelming mass if
Askenazic Jewry, the remants of the communities of medieval England and France and Germany with others from further afield - became concentrated in
Poland and the surrounding Slavonic territories. It is from them that the majority of the Jews in the world today are descended." (4).

REFERENCES

(1) Abba Eban, (1984). Heritage, Civilisation and the Jews
(2) Martin Gilbert, (1969). Jewish History Atlas
(3) D.M. Dunlop, (1987). The History of the Jewish Khazars
(4) Cecil Roth, (1970). A History of the Jews
(5) Chaim Bermant, (1977). The Jews
(13) David J. Goldberg and John D. Rayner, (1987). The Jewish People,Their
History and Their Religion.

 

And actually, the Jews, by and large, ARE a race, a Middle Eastern one.

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full
PNAS
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)

""... A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.

Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities.

A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.

Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
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Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.

Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors.
First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. Our results are consistent with other studies of Ethiopian Jews based on a variety of markers (16, 23, 46). However, as in other studies where Ethiopian Jews exhibited markers that are characteristic of both African and Middle Eastern populations, they had Y-chromosome haplotypes (e.g., haplotypes Med and YAP+4S) that were common in other Jewish populations.

Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
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Middle Eastern Affinities.

A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) supports the hypothesis of a common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full

 

Sooooo what "ethnicity traits" if not those based upon race?