Republicans in Texas What to Ban Critical Thinking in Classrooms

Its inaccurate because you say so .. clearly I have no idea what I am talking about in referrence to the Taliban and you, having never been anywhere near them, are free to tell me that I am wrong because it makes you look silly?

Gotcha.

Well, looks like this thread is dead.

We have people who reject analytical reasoning on one side, and Taliban lovers on the other

 

Yep you support the Taliban.

Its been done numerous times, ducked by you, and here you are asking for it again.

In short, all you want to do is tell people who disagree with that they reject reasoning, which is clearly stupid.

Ergo, equally stupid, you are clearly Mullah Mohammed Omar's best friend and clearly looking to infiltrate the US and spread their hegemonic designs. No point in pretending otherwise.

 

It's inaccurate because it's factually and logically inaccurate. You're trying to mix a social paradigm that stresses ultra-conservative values (mostly religious) and prohibits even the entrance of outside influence with a teaching methodology that stresses the challenging of preconceived notions. You can't even dispute either portions of that claim so instead here you're ducking from the entire argument and making assumptions about my personal life that are entirely baseless.

No surprise, should have never had to exist. Shame there are those out there who place adherence to dogma over education.

And then there's this strange mminority who has done no analysis and for two confuses religious zealots with those in favor of education that might run counter to one's personal beliefs. How one confuses those obviously contradictory view points is quite perplexing.

 

Neutral, you have honestly outdone yourself with this statement.

People reject analytical thinking BECAUSE they support the Talban. Makes about as much sense as your statement doesn't it?

 

Barrack Obama

 

No. Atheism relates to the lack of belief in deities.

Which is why we have agnosticism and gnosticism. Those relate to knowledge. Redefining atheism simply gives ignorant people a justification to blame athiesm for things that it can't, by definition, have any fault it. It has no ideology, no belief system, no politics.

 

By "we" do you mean the Royal "we", as in Queen Victoria and her not-amused tapeworms?

Since it was I who said that the dumbifying methods of education being proposed by Texas Republicans to ensure that the childern of their evangelical ballot-fodder will stay dumb-enough to keep voting for the sociopathic, non-Christian corporate objectives of the Texas Republicans' evil overlords, you must be talking about one of your own tapeworms when you say, "you CLEARLY support the Taliban and their methods of education".

So let's try again. Show some evidence that you are not an astroturfer for the Texas Republicans. Show at least one concrete example of a family-value principal which you've seen damaged by teaching a kid how to actively and skillfully conceptualize, apply, analyze, synthesize, and evaluate information to reach an answer or conclusion.

If you're not a Republican astroturfer, then is your attitude because you're FLDS, who teach their kids that God says it's okay for one guy to have many wives, and the wives can be as young as twelve?

 

Well, we are talking about Texas here...http://www.labnet.com/aclutx/pubed/banned.htm

 

Understood: An atheist is someone who does not believe in dieties... but don't you think there's a difference between someone who doesn't believe in dieties because they were never aware of the concept in the first place, versus someone who was taught the concept of deities, and then chose to reject it?

Are you saying that the term "agnostic" covers those who were never told about the idea of deities.

 

Yup it's also of little surprise that the person who decided to make the unfounded personal attacks against me has failed to respond.

 

it is never to early to teach the foundation of critical thinking skills which is problem solving. You know those little puzzles and various ipad game apps etc. as they being to learn how to solve problems they begin to build critical thinking. The if I do this, why does it do that, how come every time I try this. A five year old child is not capable of evaluating complex philosophical positions, but he is more than capable of rudimentary analysis of simple statements and determining if they are true or not.

It is an admission by these people that their "belief" system can't stand up to critical thinking and the only way they can propagate their weird mythology is to brainwash children, stunt their intellectual development, and denigrate such fundamental skills as critical thinking. Pathetic.

 

It never hurt me. My gramma started me on that when I was three.

Uhh... yeah maybe. For me it was an issue of dreaming I was in front of a toilet to pee only to wake up finding myself wetting the bed. My dad did the giant rage of hollering about "did I want to be a baby" while hammering on diapers, wherupon the Holy Ghost of my mother took them off and gave me breakfast after he went to work.

If five year olds are unequiped for philosopy, how come I was able to ask the parent that would no diss me how I was to know if I was dreaming?

You don't know nor feel any heart for what happened when humans split from chimps seven million years ago. This war between Good and Evil, God and Lucifer, Plants and Fungus, has been going on so long that the best God could explain it was to say a day in heavens time is a thousand years in man-time.

 

Since I have no idea, where your parents are educators, I cannot explain why they have no idea what I am talking about. But, here in Canada, the education system has children coming home with entitlement issues. Children cannot be failed, or made to repeat a grade, without the consent of the parents, the teachers, and the school board, yes, that's right all three must agree. Despite the fact they do not have the learned tools, to progress. They are not issued homework, to learn the concept and importance of deadlines. Report cards, tell us nothing about our children's difficulty, so we can continue strengthening our children. And since I am not in the loop where my child is failing, I cannot make an educated decision, whether or not the child should be held back. The teachers, empower the students with all the rights, and none of the responsibilities. So when I have rules, about what time to be home, or clean their room, when they have made a mess, they defy my rules, and advise me that I have no right to consequence them for failure to comply with the rules in my home. This in turn creates a very dangerous, and destructive pattern, when that same child grows to an adult, with the same thought processes, and when the rules of society and life come crashing down, they have no "premise" to understand where they are wrong. This turns children to depression, since their new core values are flawed. It's killing them, and setting them up for failure. It is the job of the parent to foster free thinking, since they are the ones who will protect them from doing harm to themselves. Not a teacher, who has limited time and resource in which to stay on top of their students progression with the new found empowerment that they have bestowed upon the student. The education system needs to teach the basics of education, like arithmetic, literacy, and social behaviors. Free thought, is a weapon that is often misused, and misunderstood, without constant monitoring of the situation. There is no way a school can be responsible enough to guide in that process.

I don't fear free thinking children. If they are capable of handling the consequences of their actions. I endorse/foster free thought at home, and correct, destructive thoughts that may injure, harm, or otherwise destroy them or their future, with logical arguments, to correct their flawed thought process. THAT IS MY JOB, not any educator, or agency that thinks they know better. To make it the responsibility of those agencies, is wrong, and as far as I am concerned, a sign of lazy parenting.

 

Understood, but in your case it's an issue of you as a parent taking-on/accepting the role of being the teacher of responsible free/critical-thinking to your kids because your school-system cannot be trusted to do it.

In the Texans' case, they do *not* want to have kids learn responsible critical/free-thinking, and they're scared the school system might do it, which means... they should move to your school district, and then choose to *not* do what you do at home.

 

Funny you should mention sheep since bestiality is still legal in Texas. They don't like critical thinking but they sure like those ewes.

 

What if a kids fixed beliefs are Mommy and Daddy and not Mommy and Mommy?

 

Are you serious?!? In most parts of the civilized world, cruelty to animals is illegal.

Somehow this is all reminding me of a study I read, wherin an anthropologist set out to compare social-insults of different cultures.

What she found was that in England, the worst insult was to be accused of cruelty to animals, whereas in the States, the worst insult was to be accused of being gay.

So... you're saying that in Texas, the compromise has been to say it's okay for a big ugly hairy ape of a rancher to butt-f-ck, as long as the partner is a steer?!?

 

Yeah, what if?

Let's rephrase the question you didn't answer...

Suppose you teach your child that indeed, humans basically evolved from proto-apes, but some aliens who hadn't got off in a long time stumbled on planet earth during a trip across the galaxy, and did beastiality with the natives while on shore-leave, thus producing the white race, therefore be proud of your whiteness, because it means you're an alien bastard.

So, the kid starts wearing Star Trek costumes and fills a phaser-shaped squirt gun with tobasco sauce and goes running around spraying non-white classmates in the eyes, which he says is okay because he's white, and you're saying the teacher can tell the kid to stop, but the teacher *cannot* tell the kid he's nuts... right?

 

Well, I think we can put this thread to bed...

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/texas_gops_2012_platform_accidentally_opposes_teaching_of_critical_thinking_skills.php

 

I didn't say the partner had to be a steer. The animal doesn't even have to be of the bovine persuasion. It could be an equine or a canine, but felines have their standards.

 

Personaly, I listen to stuff like this: http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3

 

Ewww!

 

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