Twelve Things You Didn't Think Were Sins (That Will Lead You to Hell)

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Two parts.
     
  2. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    http://www.eternalplanner.com/12-sins-that-you-didnt-think-were-sins-that-lead-you-to-hell/

    1. So apparently Catholicism will send you to hell. I guess praying to a Saint will send you to hell as well.
    2. Wearing a good luck charm? Hell for you.
    3. Tattoos? Hell for you.
    4. Smoking anything? Hell for you.
    5. Wine? Hell. Never mind Jesus turned water to wine. (LOL)
    6. Love? Hell.
    7. Martial Arts? Hell.
    8. Meditation (how does that differ from prayer?)? Hell.
    9. Setting high goals for yourself? Hell.
    10. Gossip? Really? Hell for gossip?
    11. Hell for lack of forgiveness? A man rapes and kills your daughter, he repents, goes to Heaven, you hold the grudge and go to hell. Awesome.
    12. Setting any sort of goals for yourself? Hell. You have to ask for permission first.

    I was cruising through reddit and found a post about Yoga being the work of the Devil, so I decided to do a quick Google search for laughs and found this. Note the fear based doctrine demonstrated above, and the requirement to live in fear of every action you make and every word you speak. Note the asymmetrical punishments for the crime, eternal punishment for learning karate. I appears I am going to hell for ten of those.

    I need not create strawmen, you guys give me everything I need.

    Does anyone here actually agree with this things?
     
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    Perriquine On hiatus Past Donor

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    And if you eat spaghetti you'll go to Hell; in fact it's probably best that you avoid pasta products of all kinds so as not to associate yourselves with Pastafarians worshiping the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pasta was enjoyed by many non-Christian cultures, and some Jews also avoid it during Passover. Better apologize to God if you've been eating pasta, and never do it again.

    ^ Satire.
     
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    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure glad MY God isn't like yours. Mine forgives.
     
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    According to this crazy fundamentalist belief, I'm going to hell for watching and enjoying Dragon Ball.

    *laughs*
     
  6. AKR

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    I feel sorta bad for people like this. What a wasted life, busy avoiding fun, normal, and healthy things, or at least, feeling incredibly guilty for doing them.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Who's "you guys"?

    I could just as easily post a quote from Josef Stalin and attribute it to "you atheists".

    You're just mentally masturbating anyway since no one here is obligated to speak for the loon who wrote that article.

    Plus the guy's an idiot and has no clue what "martial arts" is - there are non-eastern 'martial arts' like boxing, kickboxing, etc. His only experience with 'martial arts' comes from watching The Karate Kid. Military combat training would also be considered a form of 'martial arts', so that would mean that the military is a sinful institution.

    But while I'm on it - the OP would probably get a kick out of this website, it has some pretty loony stuff - such as the idea that having sex with a woman who can't get pregnant is a 'mortal sin' since it's the same intent as using contraception, the idea that unborn babies go to hell because they're not baptized, etc. Also they claim to "not have an opinion either way" whether the sun or the earth is the center of the solar system, and apparently some of their followers believe the 'heliocentric' view is heresy.

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/
     
  8. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    I am not an atheist, so what is your point?
     
  9. Sean Michael

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    Is this how you spend your time?. Finding anyway possible to attack religion. Of course there are crakpots out there claiming many things, theists and atheists alike, we do not have to take every atheist/agnostic who says something completely absurd to discredit atheism/agnosticism, yet that appears to be exactly what you have done when concerning theism. Wake up to yourself, you are hating religion and attacking it with such meaningless contrite as this, ask yourself why?. A theist trying to convert an atheist/agnostic is different that a an atheist/agnostic trying to convert a theist. To a theist there is much at stake the salvation of someones soul, where as with an atheist/agnostic there is no such great concern, so why not let theists go about in their ignorance if it keeps them happy, if you really believe they are being ignorant by believing in God. Or do you rather take away hope and offer nothing in its place. You are unwittingly doing the devils work, there is no good reason for you to put all this effort into trynig to attack someones belief, what does it gain you?.
     
  10. Sean Michael

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    I feel sorta of sorry for people who have no concience, running around doing what they want and searching for happiness in all the wrong places, settling for temporal pleasure that only leaves a big hole in their hearts.
     
  11. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    The Devil's work.

    I laughed on that one.
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Doesn't matter - I could just as well find some quote by Josef Stalin and demand you speak for it just because he's "one of you guys" who is against religion - doesnt' matter whether you're an atheist or not.
     
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    It's cheaper than dating?
     
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    Can I feel sorry for both of them?
     
  15. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    How are the two comparable?

    I continually request the atheist doctrine that all atheists subscribe to, yet you reliably fail to provide such (probably because it does not exist, but it makes you feel good to imagine it does). Christians, on the other hand, do have a single source for their beliefs. It is called the Bible.

    Before being critical of my dismissal of your guy's chosen form of social and thought control, why not attempt to herd your fringe buddies into your camp? You see, the Bible is so crazy, so out there, and so counter intuitive, that it allows such space for crazy ideas. Such as the ones cited in the OP. Or like Pat Robinson (a rather popular and (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up man popular with Christians) praying hurricane Issac away from the Republican Convention and into poor people.

    I wonder why you defend those people so feverishly.
     
  16. Ivan88

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    There is no hell in which sinners have eternal life. If there was, it would make "nature's God" to be a liar, as he has declared that the wages of sin is death, not eternal life in some hell.

    The only hell is the ones we make here on Earth in the Here and Now.

    Sin is hijacking the life and body we were given, and usurping/murdering God in our thinking and actions.

    That list of deadly sins is bogus for the most part.
    For example #1: Praying to saints and stuff. The Lord of Life and Love doesn't care how many gods you have or pray to as long as He is Number One in your life.
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  17. Sean Michael

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    Wolverine I normally think your posts are intelligent and are good source for debate, even though I disagree with almost everything you say. You still come across as someone who is not stupid, though maybe misguided. However this reort to my post is pretty lame. I really do think you should ask yourself why you put so much energy into attacking religion, and especially Christianity. Do not let your pride get in your way of changing your mind on some things. To me it is not about winning arguments. I don't mind looking foolish if I speak the truth, especially on a website when debating with people I will never come across in reality. I think if you took a step back and looked at everything in a more open mind, you will see there is logic and reasoning in belief in God and religion. Even your avatar picture depicts a hatred toward religion, wake up and see who it is that is really being unreasonable.
     
  18. Sean Michael

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    Christians do not all believe in the same thing, that is why there is different forms of Christianity. Also Christianity was around before the Bible. The Catholic Church does not use the Bible as it's single source, the Catholic Church compiled the Bible.

    I could easily say that all atheists and agnostics have one thing in common they do not like religion. Yet they all have various ideologies on how things should be etc. So lets not go down the road of being selective in who we use to support the idea of why or why not religion is good or bad.
     
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    Death of knowing God whom they rejected. Hell will be not being with God being completely excluded from anything to do with God.

    Saints are not God, people pray to the saints asking for their intercession. Just the same way someone would ask a neighbour to pray for their sick child. Catholics do not worship or idolise saints. They try to follow their example of heroic sanctity that they showed whilst here on earth. We are pretty sure these people had gained God's favour so we ask them to go to God on our behalf. In just the same way Protestants ask friends and neighbours to pray on their behalf.
     
  20. Wolverine

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    I have no interest in being wrong and continuing to argument a point from that position.

    Why do I dismiss Christianity? Because it is nonsensical. In order to accept it as truth people must suspend logic and reason. I already attempted to swing into the arena of Christianity, however to accept it, I would have to suppress all of the questions that a. No one is able to answer, or b. Provide inadequate answers that usually contradict the Bible in some sort of way.

    Organized religion is used a tool of social control, if you control how people think, you control how they act. Organized religion is the "work of the Devil" and goes against what we as human being have the ability to experience, God without a silly book filled with silly rules. I have started threads against Islam as well, the poor oppressed Christians certainly are not the only target of my criticism. I am not against spirituality. In fact the threads I have started on spirituality go largely ignored and barely make it to two pages, perhaps the Christians forget about these threads, and focus only the threads I start that is critical of organized religion as a whole.

    My avatar is hatred against religion? lol In what ways? Be explicit.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    The idea of Hell is deplorable.

    God (which one? there are 3,600 known God's in the world today) expects us to believe on faith.
    There are 3,600 other choices.
    Then God punishes us for not making the right decision.
    A punishment that lasts for all eternity for an act committed in our short life time.
    A symmetrical punishment?
     
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    that your lumping people together
     
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    I grew up in a fundamentalist christian family and our church would agree with most of what you say. Forgiveness (from God to the sinner) is a major cornerstone of christianity though and no sin is unforgivable as long it is acknowledged and sincerely repented of. Of course this means the sinner must do whatever is possible to make things right. In other words if you have stolen return what you have to its rightful owner and so forth.

    I do not currently think of myself as christian, but my standing is based completely on a lack of faith. Not because of these little eccentric biblical rules.
     
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    Since all gods are imaginary they will do whatever the person who believes in them want them to do.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    According to Christian doctrine as written in the Bible Christians are supposed to give people what they ask for. So if someone steals from a Christian it's obvious that the Christian had no intention of following Christian doctrine. Therefore the Christian committed a greater sin than the thief. If he had given his stuff to the thief then the person wouldn't have had to steal it and become a thief.

    http://www.bricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_giving/mt05_41.html
     

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