Twelve Things You Didn't Think Were Sins (That Will Lead You to Hell)

I do not see how is avitar depicts hatred toward religion.

What appears to be true is that when the avitar is goes through your filters .. it is transformed into something against your particular religion.

What I notice time and time again is that some religious folks feel attacked when hypocrisy or illogic of certain religious beliefs is pointed out.

What is historical fact, is that "some" religious beliefs have led to genocide, torture, suicide, war and a host of other terribly nasty and destructive things.
The willingness of the religious masses to go along with this things was in large part because of the lack of ability to question illogical religious beliefs or because they felt attacked by ideas that contradicted their religion lashed out .. or felt that such questions were an affront to their power.

To stop these terrible things from happening again .. our founders stated that Congress should make no laws on the basis of religion.

IMO .. it is every US citizens civic duty to point out the flawed religious thinking that led to the atrocities of the past.

 

That is true, however removing God from those people and the acts they committed contradicts the Bible.

 

What do you mean? Aren't you talking out of both sides of your mouth?

 

Only if I believed in a theistic being that wins football games and allows 26,000 a day to starve a death.

I however do not subscribe to such a paradox, nor do I walk through that minefield.

The only way around the Problem of Evil and maintain the existence of a deity, is to remove the theistic model and replace it with deistic. Reality contradicts the Bible (an omnipitant, omniscent, and ombelevolent deity), therefore the model described in the Bible is blantly false (this is of course ignoring the 400+ contradictions that allow the Bible to defeat itself).

 

Only if I believed in a theistic being that wins football games and allows 26,000 a day to starve a death.

I however do not subscribe to such a paradox, nor do I walk through that minefield.

The only way around the Problem of Evil and maintain the existence of a deity, is to remove the theistic model and replace it with deistic. Reality contradicts the Bible (an omnipitant, omniscent, and ombelevolent deity), therefore the model described in the Bible is blantly false (this is of course ignoring the 400+ contradictions that allow the Bible to defeat itself).

 

Explain how the idea of god is paradoxical.

When people look for justification of bigotry they use anything, religion, statistics, theorys, etc. To say religion causes bigotry is to say statistics causes bigotry, but bigots only twist and ignore information to suit their bigotry. The same is true for religious texts. Even if the bible calls for bigotry, Christians will ignore sections of their bible. Christians might say they believe their texts are infallible, but they are lying. You know certain quotes from the bible that the every Christian will ignore.

They don't need to be, however people become hateful first and then put it into their religion. And the problem is these original feelings of hate and bigotry, not the faith itself.

I will agree with you in that a reasonable person shouldn't believe in god, but in the possibility of god. I will say though that some people cannot be blamed for believing in god.

 

My whole problem with sin, atonement and forgiveness is that over my life, many Christians I know have used atonement and forgiveness as a license to continue on sinning. Some seem to think that they can sin all they like Monday thru Saturday so long as on Sunday they repent... and by doing so God forgives them... thus giving them the green light to commence the next week of unbridled sin.

IMO willfully sinning with little or no self-restraint all because one believes that God will forgive them, is a perversion of the Bible and a poor demonstrator of Christianity. I have actually been told by two different Christians at two different points in my life that God forgives... and so should I. Which is fine so long as an apology precedes the forgiveness. I know that it is Christian to forgive even when no apology is forth coming... and my hat is off to Christians who can actually do that.

To me sin and atonement are simple but not easy. Simple because it just takes admitting my faults and asking for forgiveness... and hard because it takes admitting my faults and asking for forgiveness.

 

The idea of a theistic God is paradoxical.

A personal God that hears your prayers and answers your mummerings. The Bible is riddled with verses stating that God will do X, Y, and Z. Yet, the product left for us by the absence of those actions are self-evident. There si a verse that states the righteous will not go hungry, yet, 26,000 people will starve to death today. My favorite imagined Christian rebuttal to that is "Well, why don't you do something about it?". Human actions to remedy a situation removes the need for God to act on X, Y, and Z. The irony is delicious.

Point being in a nutshell, if a theistic being exists it is either:

1. Incompetent (Why refer to it as God then?)
2. Malevolent (Why worship it?)

Those are the two answers to the Problem of Evil should a theistic God exist.

It is far eaiser to justify bigotry when you claim it to be God's Word. Most people will not grow up hating homosexuals, however, when a Holy book says to do so, it becomes quite a bit easier.

I agree. It depends in what sort of God you believe in and how you reason it.

My posts are not mocking of a belief in God, they are mocking of the obvious paradoxes in belief system X.

 

Keep telling yourself that. I don't believe you actually believe that at your core. The lady doth protest too much methinks.....

 

Keep telling yourself that. I don't believe you actually believe that at your core. The lady doth protest too much methinks.....

 

Believe what?

 

You're painting with too broad a brush. You're smart enough to know that what you perceive as paradoxes, may simply be a lack of understanding on your part. Sure--some individuals hold beliefs that are nonsensical, but you confuse the individual with the belief system. Some Christian faiths have their beliefs very well documented and sourced as to exactly what constitues the faith--others do not--but you paint with the broad brush that denigrates "Christianity" as if all Christian reasoning is the same.

Sooo...I don't believe that you don't recognize that your criticisms are unfair--you know you don't really know what you perceive as paradox is not actually your own ignorance on the subject.

 

I am yet to hear arguments that reconcile those paradoxes.

 

Are you a seeker, or ar you just an antagonist? It appears that you are merely an antagonist, but I've seen glimpses... Maybe it's just not time yet...I don't know. The thing is, antagonizing keeps you static and you'll never move forward toward what may prove enlightening with that kind of attitude.

 

You just proved again, that Christianity is an erring life-path. I don't expect from myself to be virgin until the marriage because of any kind of a religion. I wanna have a free will, and this is what I got. You should read more from other spirituality books or Buddhistic/Jewish notices. I am not about to struggle with you, this is not a debate between us, nor an argument; I mentioned a statement, which is genuine. I don't understand why you are spending your time on struggling with your wishes to 'show respect' to your religion... Feel free to live your life as you wish to, not because of a book, and not because of smartasses. This thread gone wrong, because the whole deal is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing erring.

 

I move forward logic, if my answers cannot be answered in sensible and logical ways, then I do not move forward in that direction.

 

Well I can't deny there are logical gaps in religion.

But people have practically always hated homosexuals, the origin of this hate is not religion, it's been here for thousands of years and is passed down from parent to child and then justified through religion. These feelings must be addressed not the faith.

You should not mock at all. Show respect to the religious audience and you will convince them easier.

 

Unless of course, the faith itself specifically cites homosexuals.

Or condones their stoning (Leviticus).

I harbor no illusions of conversion.

 

Unless of course, the faith itself specifically cites homosexuals.

Or condones their stoning (Leviticus).

I harbor no illusions of conversion.

 

Most people hate homosexual couples because they can form stronger economic unions than heterosexual couples can. Two men dedicated to each other usually outperform a married man who is trying to support his wife and rugrats.

 

What do you believe in Wolverine?

Sorry to ask, but I haven't posted here much lately.