American Gun myth no 1. Guns for home/self defence

...OP has bailed......

 

The roof could have collapsed and killed everybody. What ifs are pointless.

 

So all these new gun owning women are buying them just because you think they are fun?

 

Honest to God having a gun saved my life as well as my mother's, I will never forget it, and I regret so much that it ever came to that. This is one of the reasons why I will always have own a gun as long as I live. Sometimes, when people say that, its true. Once you've been in that situation you don't just snap out of it and think "its okay it will most likely never come to that again"...not if you're smart anyway. Don't get me wrong I don't think people are naturally a violent murderous bunch, but I've seen it happen before, it'd be incredibly naive to think it'll never happen again.

Okay, my bad for misunderstanding. Also I'm not originally from the US and I've never lived in Hawaii, also I'd never ever EVER wear a Hawaiian shirt. As someone whose lived as much in Europe as America I can attest to the fact that Europe has had some pretty bad fashion (*)(*)(*)(*) ups. Grown men in track suits? Short shorts? Some of the hairdos??? LOL you know its true. I actually think that American fashion, when its done right is okay. They make use of colors better than Europeans, generally speaking.

 

Hawaiian shirts = killers...didn't you know that?

 

And I have no problem with you owning a gun if that has been your experience

What I am really doing here is exploring the difference between American and Australian gun culture. What I have found is that there is a group of people in America for whom even the word gun evokes a reaction of "Out of my cold dead hands!!"

One cannot question the culture at all without being blamed for being a "Bad Santa" who wants to take all the toys away

 

Sounds like you have your answer. We like guns. You dont. End of story. Then why do you keep asking the same old questions?

 

she's a nurse or something. probably had some kind of bad experience that tainted her vision. She does desire to see everyone except police and military own and use firearms.
She'll also tell you that no one is qualified enough to meet her standards for justifiying owning a firearm.
The end result will be to convince you to lay them all down and hug a tree.
She sure does like beating a dead horse................

 

correction :::::::
she's a nurse or something. probably had some kind of bad experience that tainted her vision. She does desires to see only police and military own and use firearms.She'll also tell you that no one is qualified enough to meet her standards for justifiying owning a firearm.
The end result will be to convince you to lay them all down and hug a tree.
She sure does like beating a dead horse................

 

correction:::::
she's a nurse or something. probably had some kind of bad experience that tainted her vision. She does desire to see only police and military own and use firearms. She'll also indicate that she trusts all forms of so-called democratic governments when none actually exist
She'll also tell you that no one is qualified enough to meet her standards for justifiying owning a firearm.
The end result will be to try and convince you to lay them all down and hug a tree.
She sure does like beating a dead horse................

 

No, I don;t have the answers yet and am having a hell of a time getting past "bUt you wanna take my guns!!!"

I don;t and I stated that at the beginning of the threads

What I do want is to have a discussion and exploration about the mythes surrounding guns

 

Then why can you not except the reasoning that is my Right. I am so safe with my firearms, because I do recogonized the inherent dangers and accept that very same level of responsiblity. But my question back at you is simple.......Why should I even consider giving mine up because of a few sick and broken minds. The broken minded ones are what lead you to this point, not the responsible owners.

 

If you think it is a myth that you cannot protect yourself, your family, or your dwelling and curtilage with a gun, then you cannot protect them with anything, fists, pepper spray, door locks, police, etc. You have no proof other than emotion for your belief it is a myth and continue to prove so by what you site. You can find study after study to prove both sides but when you rely on the same organizations that are used time and again for the argument of gun control without stating other studies then you are just trying to provide an already decidedly unbalance outcome based on your own "belief".

Besides, the studies you show are irrelevant. Freedom needs no study, only a continual fight against Statists that wish to control others.

 

But firearms are useful and effective tools for self-defense. This is not a myth.

 

You see, the argument here is that they are not useful tools "enough". If you look at the studies, they come to conclusions they cannot possibly know with the available data. That is the trouble with most gun studies, they have to use proxies for a lot of base data, such as gun ownership.

 

Not useful enough huh? Then I wonder why cops and solders carry firearms instead of baseball bats?

 

Well, that is different because they are authority figures that people trust blindly with abilities that do not exist.

 

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Turn in guns.
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Homosexuality welcome.
Free abortions.
Free birth control.
Enjoy.

Democrat Party Rules:

Turn in guns.
Get condoms from greeter.
Homosexuality welcome.
Free abortions.
Free birth control.
Enjoy.

 

Locally we have stories all the time (unfortunately) of people protecting themselves from intruders with their guns. And that is just my local area. Nationally we see at least WEEKLY-- new stories of guns successfully being used for protection. With these homeowners with gun/intruder incidents occurring on a regular basis---seemingly much more so then gun accidents---how can you say a gun for protection is a myth?

Your study is misleading--not really saying anything. It doesn't prove at all that guns for self defense is a myth.

Real life says---that intruders break into homes alot. And homeowners have the right to defend themselves if that happens.

 

By gosh----this is from today.

http://www.newson6.com/story/20065367/disabled-muskogee-veteran-shoots-intruder

Tell this guy that what he did actually didn't happen.

And another
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/11/09/mercer-co-homeowner-shoots-would-be-burglar/

California even....http://www.modbee.com/2012/11/05/2443286/homeowner-shoots-intruder-ceres.html
Kansas http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Topeka_Homeowner_Fatally_Shoots_Intruder_162342256.html

These are just in the last few days. EVERY SINGLE DAY are multiple stores of homeowners using guns for protection.

 

I dont believe you. I've gone through your many gun related OPs and been here long enough to see the trends. You regurgitate the same facts in various forms, despite the fact that some of your "facts" have been totally and factually destroyed (such as the fact that suicide per capita is higher in AU than in the US, overall crime is higher in AU than on the US, etc). I've posted the references myself, which I notice you may read but dont respond to.

Your "myths" are not framed as questions from a curious and objective person looking for an open discussion. They are generally framed as some selective facts mixed with anti-gun propaganda and a hint of an attitude of superiority.

You can continue repeating your "questions" but the responses are not going to change except for the occasional new member. Particularly since most here have been around your merry-go-round already and its old news.

 

Why would you be interested in the raw data? You can only derive conclusion by isolating gun effects. Does Australia, ceteris paribus, have higher suicide rates or have you actually ignored the empirical process totally?

 

From Wiki via Who. If you can reasonbly trust these figures they may be fairly accurate, but hardly exact.

Country Male Female Total Year

38. United States (more info) 19.2 5.0 12.0 2009

46. Australia 14.9 4.5 9.7 2009

107. Haiti 0.0 0.0 0.0 2003



http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Of course, there's always a small disclamer with WHO .........
http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide_rates/en/
In 2009, the US had a higher suicide rate than Australia. And I'd bet a dime that the numbers in Haiti have changed a bit. sorry about the post looking like gibberish Danged copy and paste doesn't always work......but ya get ma drift....