Make all drugs legal; stop the myths~

You mean reefer madness hasnt happened??? LOL.! Yes I agree. In any case, I would rather have a stoner saturated with THC coming my way on a dark rainy night driving a kenworth than a Gin saturated drunk coming my way on a clear day driving a 69 VW beetle. I have met both one nearly killed me. Ha ha..no true story, but not related to the discussion. The truth is the Government that gave us nearly a hundred years of reefer madness type propaganda can be trusted to give us accurate stats concerning recreational drug use. Cannabis would be the only drug I could truly sleep well advocating legalizing it. My slumber would be sound with almost zero worries about its effects etc. I feel the other drugs should be legalized for political etc reasons and are in a different class than pot. Lastly in an ideal world drugs would not be needed for happiness. God would provide because God is a component of our ’self’ existence unlike THC etc.

 

You make some great points, I am happy that I have had the privilege to discuss some issues with you and via those talks got to know you a bit more. That said, I agree that personal accountability of our actions is absolutely mandatory. I agree that its not a good thing, its lunacy really to give our blessings to making everything legal. Sometimes I get frustrated and angry. Seeing someone get years for pot and a murderer get roughly the same time forces my tongue to say things I regret later. My (lack of) anger control was one or three (lol) reasons I became an Christian (that meet basic humanitarian needs) mission owner instead of preaching lol…

reva

 

yep, I have a idea the real reason is probably the pharmaceutical lobbyist

 

The scientific evidence stacks up. Ignoring it and blubbering about conspiracy only demonstrates a distinct lack of objectivity

 

Where did your techno babble go?

 

You may prefer to debate without objective analysis of theory and empirical evidence. I couldn't possibly agree. On this topic, for example. The rational addiction model is key. The debate, if we are to kick through the myths employed by both sides, is then whether the rational addict really is the norm.

 

Can you play that card? I am just curious to see it.

 

My observation of this discussion indicates at least one member has decided that ie comment changes as the situation dictates behooves one to emulate Chamaeleo calyptratus, analogically speaking~ lol.

reva

 

I do not agree fully, unless I am misreading your statement and prior posts. I would say that objective analysis of theory and empirical evidence is only a fractional part of debate and debate tactics concerning most subjects discussed in a general interest forum. Perhaps if you had said; (debate is best when only scientific analysis of data or a doctorial dissertation about a strict scientific or mathematical subject is being discussed) you may be partially correct. The primary motivation for debate is to resolve a ‘disagreement’ or an attempt to change your partner’s ideas to more closely resemble yours, or for similar ends. So without going into detail I say that debate is like warfare, the successful member will use as many tactics in every area that is advantageous to sway hearts AND minds. Yes, precise adherence to statistical information and its application, inferences from theory, and the results of experiment etc are powerful tools, but its hardly the best way to win a debate.

reva

 

I couldn't possibly participate in a discussion where the objectivity isn't core and an evidence-based approach integral. That just wouldn't be consistent with rational discourse!

 

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Weed. Legalizing it is the only way the GOP can secure the new socialist generation.

 

How can you ever maximize utility when the process itself is subjective and personal? People can believe they are maximizing utility but this does not mean they are. One person's utility maximization is another person's utility minimization...

 

These new state laws which supposedly legalize pot will get some people/business in trouble. This is because the federal government says pot is illegal and this has jurisdiction over the states. They tried to legalize pot dispensaries in CA and lots of businesses started and consumers were happy. But all of them fear the federal government because the feds will confiscate personal property! If I own a rental building, and I lease it to someone selling pot, the feds can close them down and confiscate MY property...therefore why would I ever lease to someone selling pot? If Congress and the president does not legalize pot, then all of this stuff at the state levels is moot...

 

Most of the illegal drugs on the street now have unknown potency and unknown ingredients. THAT is the reason why they are dangerous (besides the selling of them is a criminal activity). Caffeine is also dangerous and addictive...Why is there no wide-spread problems with it? It can be adequately compared to Meth or even Cocaine.

 

That's the point: we can still refer to the individual and their own utility maximisation decision

 

I predict at some point drugs are legalized, especially as the country goes down hill, government will probably support them to self medicate and chill.

 

Daft, dangerously daft.

I've seen what people will do to get their fix of smack. I walked in on a kid who was allowing a bloke from the gay 'massage' parlour to service his bum for the 10 quid it costs to get his next fix.
There was an old air raid shelter at the back of my shop. The druggies used this to shoot up. I'd put broken glass in there, DERV fuel and even lit some to stink the place out but nothing worked.
I was out there with a pot of non drying paint when I walked in on them.

If a young lad will allow that to get his drugs, there has to be something well wrong.
Next up.
Crime will continue. The druggies will still need their junk and still won't be able to hold down a job so they'll still steal and so on to get the cash.

I wish things to go the other way with a mandatory death penalty for anyone arrested with a dealer quantity of any addictive drug.

 

How did you know why that kid was letting the man do that? How do you know he wasn't just gay?

Did you walk up to him and tap your finger on his shoulder during it and ask, "excuse me lad, sorry to barge on in on you like this, but I had to know, why are you letting this old man bum you?"

And then he said, "because he's paying me a tenner. I can use this to buy my next fix of horoine"

And you marked it down on your clipboard and said, "okay.. I'm just seeing what people are doing to get their drugs these days. Carry on."

And also, how did you recognize the bloke that works the gay massage parlor, or even the gay massage parlor for that matter (I"m sure it's not called the "gay massage parlor")

 

If pot or all drugs are legalized, for most people who have no use for drugs it's a moot point. For others it will be an excuse to proliferate their personal drug habits into the public without fear of arrest. No matter people's utility maximization decisions, it is this group of people that I do not wish to see on the street corners and in front of public businesses and in public parks, etc...

 

What are these experiments that you said that decriminalizing weed increased the rates of psychosis?

 

If killing and incarceration are solutions to drug addictions then normalcy has got to be the dumbest thing going around.

It's always the legal consumers that tend to lose their conscience for corruption. I doubt that it's just a coincidence.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

Pot is a plant, fool. Don't start talking to me about "why". The only thing you need to know is I pluck the plant, roll it up, and smoke it. If you want to try to stop me from doing that, bring it on. (Better men than you have tried and failed).

Pot is not addictive, nor does it cause psychosis. Those are medical facts, and no one with an MD is challenging them. Don't talk to me about addiction and pot in the same sentence, if you start doing that I'll know up front that you have an agenda. (And that you're medically ignorant, which means the next thing that'll happen is I'll walk away and you'll be howling at the moon).

You can not stop me from smoking pot. The best thing you can do is try to educate me about it, and as long as you're coming to the table with horse(*)(*)(*)(*) like addiction models you have nothing to teach me about marijuana.

Now, would you like to try again, or shall we call it a day?

 

I do hope you puffed your chest out when you typed that!

Two problems here. First you're making stuff up. The analysis into psychosis effects is far from clear. The idea that pot is benign, however, has been rejected for yonks. Second, I've referred to addiction within an economic context. I've done that deliberately as its within economic analysis that we can really ascertain the potential gains or losses from legalisation. Think before you respond! All this raw emotion just makes you look like you use too much drugs! That won't be useful

 

Should all drugs be legal?

 

I say legalize everything that isn't violence, murder, theft or fraud.

I'd like to start by having the DEA and the ATF both abolished and 100% of their funding and resources reallocated to addressing poverty and mental illness and fighting child sex trafficking.