Cons that are tired of losing and being the minority

You are missing what I'm saying:

The reality is that unless the Republican Party REFORMS in REAL and SIGNIFICANT WAYS... they will continue to LOSE (even all the more, as time passes).

Really, to win in the future... the message and policies of Right are going to have to change.

Many KNOW that the "Right" went too far to the right... if/when (or how far) they'll 'vector' back (toward the Center), I really don't know for sure. But if they do not do that, they will continue to "LOSE".

 

Making Michigan a "righ to work" state won't help us replace our lost industry. The problem is not unions, but the collapse of industry that has resulted in skill & talent fleeing the state. If you want to blame the collapse of industry on unions, that's one thing, but don't pretend that breaking the unions is a solution to attracting industry. Why would anyone want to locate a business in a state whose skilled and talented workers have already left, meaning they'll have to import their labor force?

Michigan can't support the work force that grew up around its lost industries. That's why so many people are leaving the state, and frankly a whole lot more will need to leave to return the balance of labor-to-business to the state before conditions become sustainable again. I would say we might be better off reverting to a more agrarian economy, but we've lost a lot of our farmland as well.

We're actually behind Mississippi now on the education front. I really can't think of any reason for someone to locate a business here, even with RTW laws, unless it's to take advantage of the dire situation and hire only part-time, mostly unskilled workers at the lowest of wages.

 

My point being, industries that have already left Michigan for southern RTW states have no reason to return. Michigan just doesn't have enough going for it to justify the cost of locating a business here.

 

Really, you can choose to accept or not accept gay lifestyles. It's a free country. But your beliefs should not tread on another's. You have no skin in the game. It is not gays trying to oppress you. You can believe what you want to believe. They cannot make you feel otherwise nor or they trying to. You have nothing to gain or lose with the gays being given their long overdue liberty. They are not telling you who you can or cannot marry. They are not trying to prevent from visiting your "significant other," or spouse in the hospital on their death bed or prevent you from making life's decisions for your incapicitated beloved. They are not trying to get the insurance companies to disallow YOU from adding your mate to your medical insurance. That would be YOU and your kind of people doing that. And it's wrong, pure and simple.

You have a right to your opinion but absolutely NO right to push that opinion on other's at their expense. All due respect but at the end of the day, your opinion is insignificant to another human being just as their's is to you. It's just an opinion. No one is trying to take away your opinion. Just saying.

Merry Christmas.

 

I don't think it works that way. Powerlessness promotes radicalization.

 

Well. . .since the GOP is the party of "OLD, White, Males," You probably had quite of you voters literally DYING!
And, the ONLY reason the GOP lost so FEW seats this time, is because of the redistricting that the GOP did in the last 2 years, that greatly disenfranchised many Democratic voters in key states.

And, taking Wisconsin as an example of the impact of political redistricting:

 

The best thing they can do is to hold onto their founding principles - as much as can be held onto while still in touch with contemporary American society - then craft policy that appeals to the majority of the diversity that is America. If they continue to believe that the 1950s can be rebuilt in the 21st Century then they'll simply be irrelevant and largely ignored apart from a dwindling base.

 

The GOP has four years to sew the wolf a nicely tailored sheepskin. "A "kinder, gentler," Kumbaya kind of GOP. Oh yes. Love us people. We are one of you now. Grrrr... I mean, baaaaaa...."

 

But what happens if American Society becomes diametrically opposed to those values in near totality?

For instance, if the majority American population were socialists, I'd opt for civil war rather than live under their rule.

 

Yeah sometimes conservatism wins, just we can se how in the Islamic countries the conservative views win. Conservatism is a reactionary ideology that leads the societies to the darkness like the Islamic countries or the Middle Ages. That is the fact. Conservatism is something bad, and for good luck usually the enlightenment wins over that reactionary ideologies.

Remember that conservatism leads to societies similar to the societies of Islamic countries that are ideollogically conservative.

 

Dude, your economics and ideology are REGRESSIVE GARBAGE from the 19th century! Marxism does not represent progress. It represents majority oppression of economic minorities.

 

Amen and LOL!!!

 

Yes, because a Conservatism borne out of Classical Liberalism is the exact same as a Conservatism borne out of Islamic Fundamentalism.

Basing your evaluations on subjective ontology, how can you possibly go wrong with that? Afterall, everyone knows Conservatives in Europe are the exact same as Conservatives here too.

 

Your economics and ideology are REGRESSIVE GARBAGE with ideas mixed from the 18th century and the Middle Ages(X-XI centuries), I don't know what is worse

 

Conservatism is born from the Conservative ideologies, defending the tradition, the traditionalism.... Don't confuse conservatism with liberalism. They are absolutely different, the first is reactionary and fascist and the second is what is known now as Libertarianism(the one that is born from Classical Liberalism), that I don't like but at least is not as much reactionary as the first.

And seriously I don't see differences between Conservatism born from Cristian Fundamentalism and the Conservartism born from Islamic Fundamentalism.

Conservatism is defend the traditions, old values... That is conservatism and that is a reactionary ideology. Just we have to see the ideas of religion, society... of the conservative and see how reactionary they are.

And really, I don't see so much difference between Conservative of Europe, America or any other countries. All conservative share the same ideas independently the country from they are. The same as Anarchists or Communists they will share the ideas whatever the country that they are.

 

The GOP dont have to change much at all, lower taxes and min govt will always be a winning a argument. Removing the golden child celebrity after one term was always going to be brutal and they were'nt far off. I find it hard to believe the Dems will find another black man that can match his charisma and celebrity status. And unless this more spending, more debt, higher taxes improves the economy with significant job increases then its hard to see the GOP not winning. I expect with the amount of money he's printing things will at least steady, but the ship may have sailed by then as the debt will be crushing.

 

No. It just 'sounds' great. But people are catching on to the REALITY that isn't actually working for America.

Making the wealthy MORE wealthy, is not helping.

 

lol yeah like big tax and big govt is the answer. Nope sorry its more than just good sounding

 

If you're talking about America in general... then the best "answer" is likely one from the "Center".

 

When did it become about finding a "black man" to be president? Oh, right - this is the mythology that has become the true religion of the right, thinking that all the racism is coming from outside their party.

 

Who else ya got? Joe Biden? That washup Hillary Clinton? I got it, you can put up Nancy Pelosi in 2016. She'll win for sure.

All the fresh popular talent is on our side.

 

LOL, THAT'S ONTOLOGY! Thanks for being so superficial, you really encourage me to take you serial.

BTW, since our tradition IS Classical Liberalism, as lined out in the Constitution, you fail even on that front.

New Testament: "Turn the other Cheek"

The Qur'an: "Take even the slightest insult of our faith as the gravest offense and execute the perpetrator."

... Well, I'm pretty sure these things have ~no~ fundamental difference. I mean, the two people these faiths try to emulate are virtually the same person:

Jesus: "Love even your enemy"

Mohammed: "HA HA! PEOPLE OF THE PIT! (Who corpses I threw down there) I KILLED YOU! AND NOW I'M LAUGHING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU LAUGHED AT ME WHILE SAYING I WAS CRAZY!"

See? It's like they're echos of one another!

Yeah... Australian Conservatives are for gun control, British Conservatives are taking lead on Gay Marriage, and Japanese Conservatives are for maintaining a purely defensive military.

In your quest to keep people in easily defined boxes, you're generalizing the political make-up of every nation as being the same. Sorry, not the real world, you're just making up excuses for not trying to learn more.

 

Threads like this just point out how glaringly America has become TWO societies, not one.


The Liberals are dead set on forcing their morals and values on the rest of U.S. and worse, plan to abuse the producers of our society as slaves to provide material wealth for their own largess, and they don't mind cheating, lying, misleading and frauding to get it.


We need a National Divorce on semi-peaceful terms, breaking the country apart into separate smaller countries, much like the break up of the Soviet Union or we will end up in a brutal civil war that will kill millions.

 

You should just keep living in your fantasy world, you're happy there. The real world is too much for you.

It's the cons that are the fascists. They're the ones that are trying to force their morality on us. Religious freedom only for their brand of Christian. No women's rights to their own bodies. No equal pay for women. Union busting, in order to take workers rights. And making free speech dependent on how much money you have, giving corporations the power to run the government.

 

pot, meet kettle.