Do you have to have sex first before you can claim to be X?

I know what you mean.

Now... I can relate to EVERY word you expressed above; but (LOL!!) there are those who don't believe what you just said.

Women don't turn me on sexually; and I have a stick a balls hanging between my legs. I know it seems 'strange' to those who are 'wired' as a homosexual man is... but verifying that is something I could pass ANY polygraph about, or any real investigation into my life would surely prove.

I'm NOT some straight guy, pretending or imagining I like and am interested in MEN sexually. And it is practically humorous to me (at times), that some people cannot get their minds opened-up enough to consider reality; other times... it's down right depressing.

 

I've told you this before Johnny, I am not anti-gay. I could care less what anyone does in the privacy of their lives. I understand that gay couples are loving couples.

I am against changing the definition of traditional marriage (man and woman) to include gay couples. I think it is not good for a society to fiddle with the traditional family unit because it is the corner-stone of your society and our nation.

I have also told you before that homosexuality is aberrant in the human species because it does not typically occur. In other words, nature itself has selected heterosexuality as the most desirable evolutionary path for the human species as compared with homosexuality. Those are the facts.

 

I think there is truth in that. Still, as even the article you referenced suggests, there are women who can do and are even better at the things men are good at.

And what 'exactly' does that have to do with "homosexuality"? How does the article address what you seem to be suggesting in this thread?

Are you making a point about the differences between men/women? Or are you trying to say that just because one is born male/female... it determines their sexual-orientation?

Of course.

But we know that 2% (likely more), don't fit into that mold.

What you're suggesting is simply insane. Homosexuals and homosexuality cannot and should NOT be "isolated". Both are common and normal.

That's a claim you have in no way proven.

Additionally, we should consider the actual conclusion of the article you have quoted from above. It certainly isn't suggesting what you did in your post:

 

I don't care.

Got it.

Prove that is being done. It isn't happening, but you a so many others make that unsubstantiated claim all too often.

And even if YOU think/believe it is (which it actually is not)... that means homosexual people should not be allowed to marry legally? If so, I'd say that you are not thinking reasonably.

It is normal and relatively common; not a sickness (as some believe). And the most credible science supports every word I'm sharing with you here.

You are simply making an assumption based upon your own biased views. You are essentially incorrect.

 

Wow! You've changed a lot since the days of: "all gays are recruited" and "correct the error".

An almost "Gingrichian" transformation.

Sadly, most social conservatives aren't so willing to modulate. It's a credit to you that you are.

 

I would be more apt to agree with you if it weren't for the fact that the fundamental family unit has already drastically changed.

We no longer see two parents two point five child nuclear families as the predominant unit of society.

People are forming their own unique structures, marriage optional.

 

And the brain of a homosexual more resembles the brain of the opposite gendered heterosexual.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...tructured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html

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allowing same sex marriages has exactly zero effect on "traditional man woman marriage"

 

Exactly!!

 

The problem with that is that it limits sexuality to mere sex, which it is not. Thus some people are attracted to people of their own sex, not only sexually, but also emotionally and so forth. For instance I bond better with men than women, and am not capable of the strong emotional bonds needed to form a relationship with someone of the opposite gender. Love, attraction, relationships are not only about sex, and we should thus not limit our discussions on home or heterosexuality to sex.

AH

 

Many of those opposed know what you said is true; however, they cannot be made to care. And that is exactly why homosexual people and their advocates must FIGHT FOR things to be changed.

 

With you so far. The thing is, there has been research that shows some similarities between the anatomical structure of the brains of gay men and straight women; profound enough to rule out environment or social learning as a cause. I wouldn't say it's conclusive proof that homosexuality is a product of brain structure, but the possible connection is intriguing and we need to see those results replicated or refuted in larger samples.

Still with you up to this point.

^ Here is where it goes off the rails. It is merely your opinion that people shouldn't be "exposed to homosexuality" - a conclusion that seems to have been reached without any actual foundation for it. You seem to be making a cause and effect assumption about "exposure to homosexuality" resulting in 'borderline' people becoming homosexual, asking us to posit such a thing as true and fact, when you've done absolutely nothing to support that idea, or show how it could be true, much less that it is true and widely accepted as fact.

From which you appear to reason that it is good for society to ignore their needs, their rights, etc. The prejudice in this isn't disguised by clever wording that purports to be talking about something scientific. You moved from science into a biased opinion in the space of one sentence.

 

Tell us and yourself that all you like, but I'm not persuaded.

 

LOL!! I don't know why he thinks people are 'stupid'.

 

You said you grew up in a family with 'no homosexual philosophy' therefore you are stating (by omission) that your are effeminate. BTW I accept that as a reason to be homosexual because I believe sexuality is on a scale. If your are a male and are 'naturally' attracted to males then you must be at the bottom of the scale. This is relatively rare though.

 

Anti gay-marriage (as related to State recognized marriages) does not mean one is anti-gay. Frankly you sound like a heterophobe.

 

"Correct the Error' was a signature I used regarding the Nov 6 Presidental election. It has nothing to do with homosexuals. Please provide proof of the quote "all gays are recruited" you attribute to me. Otherwise you are a liar.

 

Mainly because some of you people are blinded by your own hatred of those who disagree with you. That is 'stupid.'

 

That's an idiotic statement. My family are all heterosexuals. My co-workers are heterosexuals. Our friends are mostly heterosexuals as well.

Moreover, the change of tone in your posts doesn't make me forget the things you've said in the past that weren't related to State-recognized marriages. I'm not that forgiving, I'm deeply suspicious and skeptical of other people's motives by nature, and I don't buy for one moment that you aren't anti-gay.

It's up to you to convince me that you've really turned over a new leaf, and so far I'm unpersuaded.

 

No, we're just really sick of people thinking they can talk down to us or insult us and then expect us not to take offense and have something to say about it.

 

That makes zero sense.

Some people are homosexual. Simple as that.

 

Amen! I'm fed up with their BS!!

I don't intend to be tolerant of the continued ignorance.

 

ahh

perriquine

judge,jury and executioner

tolerant left........pffftt

 

Interesting, on this topic for me it is merely sexual attraction. I have no issue forming strong bonds with either sex, I have very good male friends as well as female friends. I am as extremely close to all of my brothers as I am my sisters and there isn't an issue I wouldn't be able to discuss with either gender.

 

Ah but marleyfin, I am not talking about friendships, I have hetero and homosexual friends of both genders. And I am not talking about family. I am talking about relationships. You are not only attracted to your wife sexually, am I right? That is what I am referring to.

AH