Black students are failing because they are raised by poor single women

Two things... Red states have some of the worst educations and you are right money is not the solution that people make it out to be. But using one trillion for schools versus a pointless war would do some good. It might not be the most efficient use of the money but it woudl definitely do some good. I would prefer to use that money to address things like drug addition and general deprivation in our minority communities. Dumping money on a school house while sending kids home every evening to a dysfunctional deprived situation doesn't make any sense.

 

So its not the socialist school system now?

 

I wouldn't put to much stock in what some people say...

Rumor is there are people that are being paid to post propaganda on forums. I'm inclined to believe the rumor.

 

Nope, Not in detroit, anyway....

Michigan is a right to work state now.

 

The average Black IQ is 85. Observing for years, no change.

*White children of the lowest socio/economic group, family income $25K or less scored about 100 points
higher then Black children from the highest socio/economic group, $125K or more.
Need those negro colleges at least to feed teachers into the communities. Problem compounds as
those of marginal abilities are doomed in our hi-tech society.

 

That's pretty good. I don't have a problem with what you have said.

 

Of course blind spending will not solve the problem. And for sure, spending on a policy centered on standardized testing will not solve the problem. That said, spending the money in the right way could do wonders. First of all teachers need to be paid substantially more. That will attract more talent to the field. You would decrease the number of students per teacher which would allow for more quality instruction per student. Then teachers need to have more rigorous training. They need to be able to deal with different types of students and need to be able to adapt instructional strategy to fit a particular student's needs. Then there needs to be an effective out of school tutoring program. The people doing that need to be paid well and trained properly also. Then you need to have people trained to help kids who might be having problems with the social environment at home that is hindering their educational development. Those people need to have the resources that they need to deal effectively with the different types of issues students might be facing.

You could do wonders with 300 billion of that 1 trillion dollars.

 

Condensed leftwad BS.

Stop spending!

Washington, DC has close to the highest spending per student and some of the very worst results. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!

 

This post has got it all wrong, when Republicans in Congress blackmailed President Clinton in the 90s into taking away life long welfare for both males and females as some sort of 'compromise', that is what broke the family unit

they were no incentives to stay with the family any longer, and being exploited by the wealthy white republicans forced them to leave in order to survive oppressed lifestyles.

President Obama may bring back life long welfare benefits as part of his new deal before he leaves office, and that will solve this crisis.

 

In case you didn't catch it, I said it's not about the money, it's how you spend it. I gave some ideas on how the money could be spent. You have not demonstrated why they would not work.

 

You gave me regurgitated leftwad fail. There's a white paper out there detailing why for every item. The Thernstrom's detailed the utter pointlessness of Head Start about 3 years ago. It's a total sinkhole for tax $$$.

 

Sad but true. You can't fix the problem until you adress the true cause. And I hate to break it to people, but in the year 2012, that cause is not racism.

 

I really doubt you could have been persuaded to vote Republican because of disappointment with Obama. I've heard that song before. Generally, people who were disappointed with Obama were disappointed that he wasn't left enough. The Green Party was their logical choice, not the Republicans.

That being said, the Republicans did have a weak run of primary candidates. However none of those actually got the nomination.

It seems you real issue is racism. I wish people who accuse the Republicans of racism would actually provide an example that turned them off. I mean what racist thing did Romney do or say? Otherwise it's a non-issue. However the fact that Republicans don't appeal to black voters is a real and legitimate issue. I don't have the answers to that, other than a trust issue. Blacks don't trust the Republican Party, or their vision of the country, so no amount of agreement or alignment on issues is going to make a difference. At least not in my lifetime.

 

I disagree. I think it's mostly racism. We, as a society, refuse to hold blacks to the same standards of behavior as whites. The minute we do that jackwad Holder shows up and slams you with a disparate impact suit. The system is designed to allow blacks to underperform and to penalize whites whether they point it out or suffer silent discrimination.

 

So the socialist school system doesn't fail the kids in Detroit but socialist schools fail the kids in other cities...

And union busting RTW has what to do with all this?

 

Over the past generation, the white illegitimacy rate has exploded <--Click Link for article.

Its not just blacks, white illegitimacy is on the rise as well and producing the same results.

This all stems from when lifetime welfare ended for men in the 1990's by Republican, this forced 'male flight' from the family unit of all races.

 

What is the basis for declaring that we wouldn't be having this discussion if it was 2 million Canadians living here illegally? Where does that come from? Although a more accurate example would be 12 million illegal Canadians, that would be 12 million jobs taken from Americans. So just fill in the blank. 12 million______ living here illegally. It's still a major issue.

Although not for you. Since you've identified yourself as an open borders person, why do you care if Republicans oppose illegal immigration? You seem to oppose limits on legal immigration.

 

You are huffing and puffing, and huffing and puffing, but I am waiting for you to blow the house down. What's up? Do you have anything substantial to say. Either start refuting the points or post a link to something that does. Otherwise huffing and puffing and huffing and puffing doesn't do much.

 

Read and report otherwise you're just wasting my time:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/hs_impact_study_final.pdf

Brooking's Institute:

This is a multi $billion pee away. Actually, it's daycare. It's a total waste. And we have Big Fed telling us it's a total waste. And they keep wasting it. Almost all of education runs along the same wasteful lines.


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And you are quite wrong. As a matter of fact, I would have voted for Ron Paul had he got the nomination. I was so desperate that I would have voted for Pat Buchanan if had been running. I ain't kidding.

In my opinion all of them were sorry. Including Romney. Even if I was a rich white man I would not have voted for any of them.

No that's not the real issue. You know why? I'll shoot straight with you. I have come to the conclusion that it's just the way people are. Look around you here in this forum. How many stupid topics revolving around racism to you see, e.g. someone wore a t shirt with p***y a$$ on it. (*)(*)(*)(*), I'm so sick of that infantile, childish crap. When I really honestly think about it, the kind of crap that white people do to black people would make anybody mad. And when I honestly think about it the kind of crap that black people do to white people would make anybody mad. And when I honestly think about it, liberals can be very racist too. They use black people the way the conservatives use religious people. They want the votes only, and they would be happy to get rid of them if they could get the votes another way. Therefore, that racism crap is a dead end street.

The reason I would vote for Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan is because of foreign policy. I'm (*)(*)(*)(*) sick and tired of US foreign policy going the way it is. The two people I mentioned at least have the tendency to tell it like it is with regard to foreign policy. I would be willing to throw everything else I would like to see happen if someone would could win would put US foreign policy on the right track. Why? Because it's throwing everything else off track. Because of screwed up foreign policy we got 911. Now the government can throw you in jail indefinitely without a trail. They can get access to all of the most private parts of your life with little or no oversight. They can kill you and say you were a terrorist. If you want to get on a plane to go somewhere they can strip search you now. What this country is becoming because of messed up foreign policy is whack. I'm sick and tired of it.

If you were following the thread I told you what get's me. It's that political strategy of appealing to white racism to get votes. You know, the infamous Southern Strategy. If you don't know what it is, go back through the thread to where I posted a link to a page that described it. I ain't posting it no more.

Well I told you what I thought. I was frank and truthful.

Feels good to have gotten that off my chest! LOL

 

I'm not talking about head start ok. My mother ran a head start program after she retired from teaching. I know what that's about.

I'm talking about radically different stuff. I'm talking about training teachers in a radically different way. I'm talking about training teachers like we train doctors. Yeah, make it difficult to be a teacher, but make it pay very well. Start them off at over 100k per year. And I'm talking about having a lot of them. One teacher for at most ten students.

That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

 

You're talking about peeing away my money with a new name.

Head start is FAIL!
Head start is Big Fed!
Big Fed is FAIL!

There is no NEW solution, only old ones.

 

Not only is this an issue with minorities, but it is also fast becoming an issue in the US as a whole. Males are being marginalized and their usefulness is being pushed out of society. This is why there are so many single mothers and also why divorce rates are so high in the states. The feminist movement, supported by big business and the government will destroy this country.

 

I'm trying to stop pissing away your money and solving the problem. But maybe that's the thing. Maybe you don't want the problem to be solved. Maybe you want black people to remain uneducated and ignorant. That way there will be less competition for you so that you can make more money and then say it ain't my fault, they are just uneducated and ignorant.

I get it.

 

Actually that does help clarify what your angle is. It's the Obama national security. In all other ways, Obama has been a reliable leftist, but when it comes to national security, he has been more Bushy than Bush could ever have dreamed. Targeted assassinations of American citizens? Can you imagine Bush trying that? Obama was the first President to ignore the War Powers Resolution. No Republican could have gotten away with that.

So I guess the cure for that could be a Buchanan/Paul isolationism.

Interestingly, there are no real limits on what Obama can do with his military since most Democrats (not all) don't have an interest in confronting him. Bush would have been dealing with a media that would have been investigating and reporting on this every day from the first drone strike assassination.

So 4 more years of unlimited Presidential power. Think how jealous Cheney is!