Each & Every One Of You Politicizing The Deaths Of Those Children Are Sick Animals

Educate yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

And then look at the statistics. There are no definities in this world, but we can have a bit of cop on and try to reduce the issue. Or, going by the US logic say: "(*)(*)(*)(*) it, lets have a free for all". Stupid logic is stupid logic.

 

Rational discussion is desperately needed.

The ease with which lunatics can obtain guns in the US is indefensible, but I'm not sure that frequent tragedies such as this are the gun crimes that are amenable to prevention. A determined nut case will always be able to get one of the estimated three-hundred million guns. The less headline-grabbing continual slaughter they facilitate is more amenable to appropriate measures.

It would nice to see the firearm fetish crowd lend their voices to the reasonable response of proposing prevention measures, rather than resorting to their invariable knee-jerk determination to see that nothing changes. Throwing up their hands, proclaiming impotence, and expecting societal resignation to the plight has become a tired routine.

I strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of Americans would approve of competence standards and licensing such as apply to automobile driving, but I'd welcome remedial measures being introduced by the highly-paid lobbyists themselves, like LaPierre.

An American must meet modest standards to be licensed to clip toenails professionally, but not to wield a dedicated killing machine?


That's nuts.

 

I appreciate the lack of denial. That would have been real idiocy

 

Laws, like locks, are installed to keep the law abiding honest.

 

EU / USA - social welfare systems
EU / USA - pay corporate and personal tax
EU / USA - government pays for roads, bridges etc...
EU / USA - Pays for space industry
EU / USA - GOvernment subsidises farming
EU / USA - Provate enterprise
EU / USA - Government funded space industry

Do you want me to continue?

Fiat, Ikea, Vodafone, Shell, BP, Mercedes, HSBC.... do you still want me to continue?

You don't read much outside of Fox news do you... You might try it, it'd help you make a fool of yourself less often.

 

Well why didn't you start one?

Events like this effect society from copycat crimes to legislation to scratching for a why.

That it was a horrid and sorrowful event goes without saying.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on the partisan agenda pushers screaming about how their political opposites are the cause of decaying society blah blah blah...but I see nothing wrong with a logical discussion on what effects such events will have on our country and communities.

 

They will further continue to divide us and anger us until the inevitable taking to the streets Tahrir Square style with clubs or whatever for the final conservative win.

 

Unfortunately, you do not have a lock on promoting your lawless society, but reasonable folks still far outnumber the anarchists.

 

I don't watch the news, any of it, so that was wasted space on your part and a waste of breath I gave up on it a long time ago.
You are still a subject and not a citizen. Technically, we aren't even on the same playing fields. btw, are you claiming to be some sort of expert about firearms or are you parroting what you get fom the BBC or MSN?

 

WHich of course you know is not a definition of socialism... youi lnew that right? Sure you did.

 

lawless?? really?? here??? You don't get out much. We have more people in prison per capita than any other country on this planet...and you claim we are lawless????? simply, wow
Everything here is either legal or not. Some choice for a so-called democracy.. do it or else. How many other Rights would you have us surrender?
Or maybe you are of the mind that we need none, just privileges...

 

citizen or citizen slave, you are where you live, but you knew that, didn't you?

 

Well if you feel that way then maybe a Political forum is not for you. Maybe you should go join a forum that is made for ones that mourn on items that are happening nowdays. It sounds more like your style. And there are many forums set up nowdays just for that. If you don't like what people are debating about then join one that fits your style.

 

the only subjects on this planet happen to be algebra, physics, history, geology, etc. But the fact is that there is no absolute monarchy where the legal term of "subjects" is defined and codified. The political term "subjects" means those who have no rights given to them by the heads of state. The countries that have monarchies are defined legally as Constitutional Monarchies where persons living in that country are legally defined as citizens or residents who have certain rights guaranteed by their respective constitutions.

Your term and use of "subjects" is obsolete and irrelevant in today's legal environment. What you are arguing is total anarchy and that is more dangerous than North Korea having 1000 nuclear weapons.

 

applying your logic, then I cannot be held responsible for what other chose to do. So leave my guns out of the equation. They were neither used to comit a crime and were not present at the scene. You should be held responsible for leaving these people unprotected

 

..and assumption is the mother of all F***ups

 

When are we allowed to talk politically about the massacre without being labeled exploitative?

 

Are people actually surprised (and disgusted!?) that a political forum is having political discussions about a mass murder? I suppose we should just all weep and gnash our teeth!?

 

You know what. You have a good point. Yes there are more * * * * ed up in our society now days. You know why. Its because over the years our society and ones in power have become to kind hearted to who they allow to come in to our society.

Many of the ones they let in use the excuse all they want to do is better themselves. For some it is true but not for all of them. Terrorists and ones that hate the U.S. come in using that excuse more and more everyday. They are here for one reason and that is to destroy our society in any way they can.

Until our gov't comes to its sences and tighten up on who it allows into our society all it is going to do is grow. We need to strenghen up on taking care of the problems we have here already before we keep giving a helping hand to the ones that don't even belong here. The people of this society are loosing more of our rights and liberties everyday and its because of our blindsighted gov't we have that are supposed to be leading us. And until that problem is fixed then those problems are here to stay.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/citizen
citizen, subject, national mean a person owing allegiance to and entitled to the protection of a sovereign state. citizen is preferred for one owing allegiance to a state in which sovereign power is retained by the people and sharing in the political rights of those people <the rights of a free citizen>. subject implies allegiance to a personal sovereign such as a monarch <the king's subjects>.
Which are you?

 

Or maybe they just want to discuss the political aspect of the mass murder on a political forum?

 

Of course there is! Some of us want policies to prevent these kinds of things from happening. What the heck is wrong with that?

Yes, and I would like to prevent this kind of thing from occurring in the future, hence the political discussions.

 

Children being slaughtered is not a political event.

 

I know it is not a "political event" but clearly it has political ramifications and relevance.

 

Originally Posted by stjames1_53
nope, you live as socialists

THen you defended it by bringing out Royalty, which is meaningless, symbolic. You do know what a socialist is.... right?