Something has to be done? Why?

Why is it that every time there is a shooting, everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that "something must be done" ?
Is it not possible that the laws and safety measures are already optimal as they are right now?
There is always a cost to risk ratio. How much money are we prepared to spend, how much inconvenience are we willing to deal with, how many of our freedoms are we willing to surrender?

There is always going to be crime, serial killers, and terrorist attacks. Why can't we accept the fact that these things may be inevitable?
Considering how many people are in the USA, are gun deaths really that high? If it was really about preventing deaths, there are plenty of other more important places we could be focusing on...

No, I say what small number of gun deaths there are is a small price to pay for our freedom.

 

Excellent post. Unfortunately, this country is infested with emotionalist scum who do not understand that rare problems like this do not call for a response. No sane person wakes up everyday and asks "How will I avoid being struck by lightning today?", just as extremely rare things like shooting sprees should have zero influence on public policy.

 

I expect brutal gun control for sane people in the next Congress.

 

I worry that this incident will be used as an excuse for taking away guns. It is certainly being blown out of proportion in the media. It seems like the televised news is actively cultivating a negative perception of guns. I am really concerned there might be an agenda behind all this.

"...the political manipulation of the masses represents nothing but the final result of an incredibly tenacious and thorough manipulation of their mind and soul. ... At first I could not help but be amazed at how short a time it took this great evil [the media] power within the state to create certain opinion even where it meant totally falsifying profund desires and views which surely existed among the public. In a few days a ridiculous episode had become a significant state action, while, conversely, at the same time, vital problems fell a prey to public oblivion, or rather were simply snatched out from the memory and consciousness of the masses."
— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

i hope that this incident will be used as an excuse to take away peoples guns

The US is the most heavily armed nation in the world. We have more guns than ANY other country, BY FAR. And people wonder why we have all these gun crimes. It's not really a surprise. We have lots of guns. Therefore, we have lots of gun crimes. If we had less guns, we'd have less gun crimes. Duh.

 

Why do you want women and elderly people to be defenseless against rapists and thugs? You disgust me.

 

So show me the numbers that tell us how many legally acquired guns are used in crimes by their legal owners every year! How many deaths have come from Fast and Furious/Gun Runner? How many Guns did Obama allow to hit the streets and be put in the hands of criminals?

I don't want to hear a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing from the left on this. How many Mexicans (Innocent parents and children) have lost their lives because of it?

 

The gun grabbing vermin do not have the votes in the House, and there are enough pro-RKBA Senators to filibuster. Any declared pro-RKBA members of Congress who look like they may cave will undoubtedly be reminded that such an action will inevitably be political suicide, as the number of single issue voters who are pro-SA vastly exceeds the number of single issue voters who are anti-SA.

 

Actually, the per capita gun homicide rate for the USA is only 2.98 (per 100,000 per year). The gun homicide rate for Mexico, where guns are virtually illegal, is 10.00 !

Texas has by far more guns than any other state, yet it only ranks #26 on the list of states by firearm death rate. And most of these deaths are due to all the illegal immigration Texas has been getting from Mexico. The undocumented aliens have big families and then their boys grow up, join criminal gangs, and blow eachothers brains out for "territory". Not a big loss, if you ask me.

Guess which ranks #1, more gun deaths than any other state? Not really a state exactly, the nations capital, Washington D.C., which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. If Washington D.C. gets its way, every other state would be like it, crime and all.

 

Because what happened in Connecticut was not inevitable. There were guns and ammo around where the perpetrator could get at them. Reportedly, he had even tried to buy a rifle 3 days before the attack, but didn't want to undergo the background check.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ried-to-buy-rifle-three-days-before-massacre/

In other words, gun control as it stands in Connecticut today almost worked. It kept the nut from buying a gun. Unfortunately, he knew of other guns he could get without a waiting period... It seems he had to get them over his mother's dead body, but that didn't stop him. Strange that a simple background check did, but killing his own mother did not.

If people didn't have guns and ammo around the house, psychos like this guy wouldn't be able to take them and use them. If gun control were tighter, a psycho like James Holmes would not have been able to obtain the arsenal that he used in that Colorado theater. The Columbine shooters had someone of legal age buy their guns for them, completely bypassing the system that would have kept them from getting guns otherwise.

We need laws in place to keep human failings from permitting people such as these to acquire deadly weapons, smart guy. We don't let people acquire nuclear bombs or live grenades. The same should apply to guns.

 

Mexico is a drug-fueled warzone, smart guy. Compare our gun violence stats to those of other western nations. Go on.

 

Well, as white people are now a minority in the USA, at least among the younger generation, we would have to compare to another country with an similar level of diversity.
The gun homocide rate for Brazil is 18.10. More restrictive gun laws seem to have an association with higher levels of crime.

Nearly every house in Switzerland has a gun, yet its gun homocide rate is only 0.52. I actually met a man in Switzerland who was bipolar and went into uncontrollable rage sometimes. He was afraid he would do something he would later regret and tried to return his gun back to the government. They would not accept it, and told him he legally was required to keep it in his house. The only way he could get out of his responsibility was if he could get a doctor to deem him mentally unfit, but then that could negatively affect his job.

Israel, another country with a lot of guns around, gun homocide rate of only 0.94



These sights are really not that uncommon in Israel.

 

tell that kid to get his finger off the trigger!!!!!!

 

You're absolutely spot on and I thank you for this thread.

Nobody proposes "doing something" about cyber terrorism and banning/strictly controlling the internet, yet it's literally the same (*)(*)(*)(*)ing issue. The only changing factor is that people hate guns and let it cloud their judgement. It's an irrational hate.

Sometimes people die. What can I say, the world is (*)(*)(*)(*) like that every now and then. The solution is not to transgress the rights of everyone to prevent some shootings.

 

easy for you to say, you didn't drop your 6 year old off at school and 2 hours later find out they were killed by an ar-15 wielding maniac

 

No. The USA is way ahead of other developed Nations when it comes to violence. In this case being number 1 is losing.

Tell me how you will be losing any freedom by limiting clip size of rifles? Or securing firearms so they can not be used by others to commit murder? A 30 round clip belongs in the hands of a soldier in Afghanistan, not a psychopath in a school... or a movie theater... or a McDonald's... or...

Wow, great attitude until it is someone you love dead on the floor of a public place. 20 dead children and your best argument is "There is always going to be crime, serial killers, and terrorist attacks. Why can't we accept the fact that these things may be inevitable?" We have accepted it, but to do nothing about it is insanity.

 

The USA is also way ahead of other developed Nations when it comes to ethnic diversity. Why don't you take a look at any of the Latin American countries? Or Africa?

 

Japan has a ban on all firearms... and amongst the lowest homicide rate on the planet. Kind of shoots down your argument... pun intended. But it is subjective is it not? Japan is a very different society that Brazil. But is it not amazing that a HUGE city like Tokyo has a murder rate that is a small fraction of San Paulo Brazil?

As for your pics of Israel, a Nation surrounded by Countries that would love nothing more than to wipe them off the face of the Earth... well America is not Israel and the Canadians and Mexicans are not trying to kill us. Again its subjective is it not?

 

Because I am not a from Latin America or Africa, I am an American and ethnic diversity has nothing to do with the premise of this thread.

 

The racially-homogenous countries with strict gun laws that liberals love to cite have low crime rates largely because of said racial homogeneity.

 

Ah, thanks.

 

because it leads to more total deaths, death is bad. sorry I disgust you.

 

the numbers don't lie. The US is the most heavily armed nation in the world!! That's the only number you need.

 

So what?

And I dispute that we are 'the most hevily armed'

 

So what?

And I dispute that we are 'the most hevily armed'