Why stop with the Second Amendment?

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  1. Truthist

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    Liberals want to scrap the Second Amendment in an effort to reduce crime. Why are these people so inconsistent?

    Why not scrap the First Amendment? Free speech can lead to brawls and worse. Also, organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church cause hurt feelings and increases in blood pressure for innocent people, thereby having an adverse effect on the health of these individuals. Why are liberals so unwilling to scrap the freedom enshrined in this part of the Constitution in order to make society safer?

    Why not scrap the Fourth Amendment? Doing so would give the police greater ability to fight crime. Waiting for some judge to dot the i's and cross the t's on a warrant may let a criminal escape punishment. Why are liberals so unwilling to scrap the freedom enshrined in this part of the Constitution in order to make society safer?


    Why not scrap the Sixth Amendment? Elimination of due process would have a chilling effect on the public. Was violent street crime rampant in the Third Reich, which was notorious for its lack of due process? Why are liberals so unwilling to scrap the freedom enshrined in this part of the Constitution in order to make society safer?


    Why not scrap the Eighth Amendment? Publicly burning people to death would be a strong deterrent against violent crimes. Why are liberals so unwilling to scrap the freedom enshrined in this part of the Constitution in order to make society safer?


    Why do liberals act as if the particular freedom protected by the Second Amendment is the only one that has a price tag attached?
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

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    Liberals do want to scrap the First Amendment. Have you not realised this?!
    The government in the UK has a very different idea of free speech than America.

    Liberals even want to modify the Fourteenth Amendment, keeping the parts they like, but getting rid of that pesky equal protection clause that gets in the way of their "affirmative action" policies in public universities.

    Progressives want the protections in the law to apply to them, but not to the groups of people they don't like (anti-immigration groups and conservative Christians for example)
     
  3. Truthist

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    I do realize this, but liberals claim to cherish the Fourth, Six, and Eighth Amendments. Since scrapping those could reduce crime, liberals are hypocritical vermin for not wanting to have them scrapped in the name of crime reduction.
     
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    the thing is liberals would never go this far. they want to make things harder for policemen and easier for criminals.... they just want to take the guns away from all americans who are mostly non criminal.... they dont really want justice cause if that were the case they would be for the death penalty....

    so your analogy is a bit faulty, but your main point is very true. good post
     
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    No one wants to 'scrap the Second amendment'....just crazy political rhetoric.

    It can't even be done without changing the Constitution.

    Just more crazy talk
     
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    Plenty of liberals want to repeal the Second Amendment.
     
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    It makes me wonder whether it's really about them feeling safe, or if it's something else entirely...

    Hypocritical? Where do I even begin?! If they really thought gun crime was so bad, why do they keep wanting to bring in more poverty and violence from Mexico?
    If they really cared about protecting the little children so much, why do they demand a woman's right to an elective late-term abortion?!
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    either owning a gun is a right... or it's a privilege

    if it's a right, then that right should be restored when a Criminal completes their time, otherwise your saying it's a privilege to own a gun to protect your home and family

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    As a libertarian, I oppose GCA 1968.
     
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    This is amusing.

    Conservatives are guilty of the same (*)(*)(*)(*) liberals are.

    Patriot Act anyone?
     
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    Really? I haven't actually seen any suggest that.

    What I see are people talking about whether restrictions on certain types of guns or ammo clips should be instituted.

    There will always be people who don't like some liberties- look at the issues of the First Amendment when it comes to Westboro Baptist Church or flag burning. There will always be people who suggest changing the Constitution....but that is a long way from any real suggestions as to changing the Constitution.
     
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    because liberals don't own guns. And so scrapping the second amendment has no price tag.
     
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    don't forget warrant-less wiretaps that Bush lied about

    [video=youtube;eEyHcajIYuk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEyHcajIYuk[/video]
     
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    I'm not a conservative.
     
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    Please resist the urge to make generalizations. The Liberals you cited aren't even in the United States. Some Liberals, some Conservatives want to minimize the first amendment. Patriot Act anyone? Hate Speech legislation? It's not a one sided issue at all. In fact, it's weighted rather heavily toward some Conservatives. Don't get me wrong, all that anti-free speech stuff some Liberals do is bad too, but you can't make that point and leave out all the stuff your side does. That's just not intellectually honest.

    Liberal and Conservative are just labels put on individuals. There's no one voice for these categories. Everyone is different.
     
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    So why do liberals believe government can solve all of societies ills if the government is constantly trying to overreach?
     
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    See that's just another generalization. As a Liberal I didn't believe that at all. Next to no Liberals I've ever known have thought that.

    It was more the belief that there was coercion inherent in Capitalism. I have since abandoned this belief.

    People are rarely the evil monsters the other side projects them as. As soon as you realize we're all the same; all on the same journey of discovery - the better.
     

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