time travel is a gross stupidy

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    Bending space is theoretically possible. Black holes, for one do it all the time... as some of the material thought to be lost after entering the event horizon has been ejected, but not from the event itself, sorta just popped into existence outside the anomaly. A while back a scientist postulated an engine that could, in theory, warp space around an object, allowing it to break the speed of light barrier, because it's not actually moving itself, but moving the space around it... The problem with this concept, however, was the math behind it proposed an energy requirement that to travel to the nearest star outside our solar system would require energy equiv to the mass of Jupiter.
     
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    how and who will bend space for you?
     
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    http://www.torontostandard.com/article/nasa-working-to-bend-space-time-for-warp-drive-travel

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2204913/Nasa-breakthrough-suggests-Star-Treks-warp-drives-possible--practical.html

    just a quick link grab from google regarding "Nasa" "Harold White" and "Bend space" -- The original hypothesis was that to create this 'wrinkle' in space-time, it would require more energy than could possibly be acquired. White's proposal claims that changing the geometry of the 'engine' would reduce the energy requirements to something that could be attainable at some point in the future.
     
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    I tried to give him a primmer.
     
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    Because an atomic clock works differently than the standard device you think of as "clock".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock
     
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    The best way to look at time travel fiction is the same way they described it in Austin Powers:

    Austin: Wait a tick. Basil, if I travel back to 1969 and I was frozen in 1967, presumably, I could go back and visit my frozen self. But, if I'm still frozen in 1967, how could I have been unthawed in the '90s and traveled back to... [goes cross-eyed]
    Austin: Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed.
    Basil: I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.
    [to camera]
    Basil: That goes for you all, too.
    Austin: Yes.

    It's as if self-hatred was projected on a global scale.

    Carl Sagan speculated that it was possible we were the first sentient beings in the universe, after all - SOMEBODY has to be the first. He also speculated that there may have been others but they all blew themselves up by now and we're it at the moment. I don't think he would have liked either being the case but he did say they were possible.
     
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    In the movie "back to the future" with michael j. fox,
    there is a car that serves as a time machine
    and it does travel back and forth in time.

    my undersatanding is that, this is the concept
    that science/scientists have on their mind.

    if this is not the case,
    what is?
     
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    Time travel isn't about revisiting past events, it's about manipulating the relationship between space and time. More about covering distance than anything else.

    This, because as far as we know, there is no way to achieve a velocity greater than the speed of light.
     
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    working within this concept or frame, what is there to achieve? any benifits, if Man does not go back and forth in time?
    isn't the prime established goal is to be there in order to manipulate/exploit the existence of an event (past/future).
     
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    Nah... under the basic understanding of traveling in a vacuum, E=MC(sq), To accelerate towards the speed of light, the ammount of energy required becomes infinite the closer you get... think of the worst example of diminishing returns. The gains by being able to manipulate the relationship between time and space, you wouldn't have to accelerate to travel distances, thus bypassing that rule.

    Think of it this way, light travels at 186,000 miles per second. That is the distance/time relationship that is expressed in terms we typically use. Under this concept, if you could alter the rate a second occurs, you wouldn't have to alter the speed you travel at to cross more distance.
     
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    People used to be "personally incredulous" that the earth wasn't the center of the universe.
     
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    I view it as being inside a cloud where the cloud is also inside all matter. Read Flatland and try to imagine 3D as 2D with an unrecognized extra dimension. All matter is partially submerged in the fourth dimension and can completely move there, as in the quantum leap.
     
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    The theory of a fourth spatial dimension was discussed around 1880. Since there was no need for it, it degenerated into supernatural fantasies. When a need for it arose to rationalize quantum physics, scientists were intimidated by what it had become and rejected it only for that superficial reason. It is ironic that by the mistake of making time a dimension, science has degenerated into a weird supernaturalism. Time travel is impossible because there is no pre-existing time to travel to.
     
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    This is in my 4D theory. A Black Hole is a reverse volcano into 4D, where the ejected matter is free to travel until it comes back into 3D, just like the Quantum Leap.
     
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    In my theory, a highly energized particle or even a whole atom will completely submerge in the fourth dimension, where the laws of physics are different. When it comes back to 3D, it will appear to have slowed down. An element's half-life can't be measured until scientists realize where it's been between measurements. Accelerating it to such a high velocity that the illusion of its time slowing down is imagined would cause this higher energy and temporary disappearance from 3D.
     
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    Wishful thinking, which is the only thing that creates support for quantum physics. In 4D, which should be possible to submerge into without a prohibitive amount of energy, you can travel 6 light-years a second "underneath" 3D, re-enter 3D, and explore the whole galaxy. Give up on this time-travel fantasy, which belongs with vampires and other irrational fantasies. Instead think about the distances we could travel in normal time if my theory is true.
     
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    Today's personal-incredulity fallacy is that people can't believe that all these Nobel Prize winning physicists can be dead wrong. The post-clacks' authoritarian rudeness in defending science's contemporary irrationality is an indication of the lack of truth in their explanations for quantum phenomena. They put a fatwa on all radical dissent.
     
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    Well since this theory has progressed to the point that small scale experiments can be conducted in a lab, we shouldn't have to wait long until we'll know if it's possible... then another 60 years for nasa to scrape enough pennies together to try it out for real. XD
     
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    If it were possible to warp space it would not be time travel. You would travel in real time.

    If you traveled a light year in regular space and brought the distance to say... five miles. It would only take as much time as it takes to travel five miles.

    You could leave at 8:30 arrive at 8:35 and be back home at 8:40....at 60 mph.
     
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    The GPS system takes time travel into account, otherwise it wouldn't work.
     
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    It is when you understand that this manipulates time-space in a different way than traditional acceleration does.

    Under conventional power, the faster you accelerate, the slower time moves. Objects traveling close to light speed would have time slow down for them. Clocks would run slower than clocks on earth. This is even observable by the GPS system, when it was first introduced, they used clocks that calculated their time as if they were on earth, so they could tell based on their speed where on earth they were. but because their clocks ran ever so slower because of their acceleration, they had to be updated so they didn't calculate their position wrong.

    That's accelerating through space. Time effects you, and the universe goes about it's business otherwise.

    Under this other model, it's postulated that you can manipulate time around an object, so that time occurs normally for you and the rest of the universe, but in a gap around you, time is moved by at a much faster rate.
     
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    The gap, or porthole, into 4D is created through fission. If timed right, entrance is possible before space closes up again.
     
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    If you traveled at c squared, you would go 1800 light years in those five minutes. The fourth dimension has different physics and a different maximum velocity.
     
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    You travel only five miles because space has been warped. Instead of going some place you decrease the distance between them with gravity.

    You would travel through less space to reach your destination.
     
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    He's hijacked the threat to talk about traveling between dimensions and string theory instead of distorting traditional space-time.
     

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