Would you support torture in certain situations in prison

Men?

They aren't men.

They are pawns of sadists.

 

whatever they are... theyre the only reason me and you are sitting peacefully on our computers instead of battling foreign invaders

 

People love to do 3 things, Lecture, Complain, and gloat. Who do you think would feel compelled to do all three? The guy who thinks he's 'triumphed in a righteous fight against an unjust force' ? That type of person would be the hardest person to shut up if you gave them half a chance.

 

That is so incorrect on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

 

Yes probably, didnt i say that the goal was information though? That suffering isnt a goal, but a tool and if it need not be used it shouldnt? i do now anyways.

 

But tjey arent illogical beasts devoid of any intelligence, surely theyre not dumb enough to talk if they know it will jepordise their entire operation?

 

People love to talk, the more relaxed they feel, the more they'll talk. And let them go at it, they'll slip up... without fail.

This is why if you are ever in the custody of law enforcement for any reason, You don't talk to them at all... because you will end up incriminating yourself.

 

Which foreign invaders to my country do you wish me to battle?

 

So, what is your 'goal'?

 

I really don't see how some terrorist that has been planning his actino for years ahead would just blow it all by talking. I really don't. If common criminals back home are smart enough to shut up while in custody even. But what do I know, it might very well be the case.

 

To prevent their terror plot from succeding.

 

So, by using the most failed method, you think using the most failed method, is the best method from 'stopping a terror plot'?

How confused you are.

 

Torture and punishment violated the very ideals upon which America was founded.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

The purpose of government, as established in the Declaration of Independence, is to protect our inalienable Rights. Torture and punishment are not about protection but instead they are an act of revenge and we, as individuals, don't have a Right of Revenge and cannot logically delegate a Right that we don't possess to our government.

Incarcertion, which is an infringement upon the liberty of the individual, is a pragamatic infringement for those that have demonstated that they would willingly violate our inalienable Rights. That is protection of our Rights and that is the purpose of government. The purpose of government should never be to seek revenge but instead to protect us from those that have demonstrated that they would willingly violate our Rights. In protecting the Rights of the People there is a necessity for the pragmatic infringement upon the Rights of those that have demonstrated that they would violate our Rights but all such infringements should be to the least extent possible to provide the protection.

When our government resorts to extracting revenge against those that have violated our Rights then it violates the inalienable Rights of that person and it's actions are juxtaposed to the very ideals upon which America was founded.

 

All of this - correct.

Now, the question is, when did that change, how did it change, and who destroyed those ideals?

 

well america was also founded on legal slavery.... im guessing you were a fan of that then?

 

Yes.

All of it.

You win.

Torture and murder everyone, imo.

 

nope... you fail to recognize my point. my point is the constitution is great, and has MANY great rights and freedoms. however it IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE and isnt 100% right about everything. same goes for the founding fathers.

1. this is happening to evil mass murderers
2.. this will discourage people from committing such acts

so tell me again why would you not be for this? logically

 

I thought my stance was tjat i would use the most efficient method. We must be having trouble communicating. I just cant see how talking to them is more effective them threatening them. But i trust the reports.

 

Seeing justice served is indeed a rght. And those people we are talking about have forfeited their right because of their acrions. And if what you saying is true you have a sissy constitution that needs to be changed

 

I voted no; we must be more clever and civilized than murderer and respect the life.

 

Good.

Now, since that is not torture, what would you suggest?

 

*Sigh*.

What does that even mean?

Doesn't matter - it has no meaning.

 

because most 'mass murderers' are broken in the head and the logic of anything to deter them would elude them.

 

Really? For centuries in some Muslim countries the sentence for stealing was to chop off the hand of the thief -

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/10/us-mali-crisis-sharia-idUSBRE88914820120910

Seems it is still going on