Ashkenazis originated in Khazar empire, not in kingdom of Judah.

As much as some Jews try to deny their Khazar origins , facts wont go away/ remain hidden coz Jewish archaeologist keep digging up new evidence

Deja Vu - again.




In his search for Jewish ancestry, Eran Elhaik says he has discovered that some Ashkenazis originated in the Khazar empire, not the kingdom of Judah.

By Ofer Aderet | Dec.28, 2012

geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik tries to illustrate one of the most controversial issues in the study of history: the origin of the Jewish people.

"For years, scholars have suggested various explanations as to where the Jews come from," says Israeli-born Elhaik, and lists the different theories proposed over the past century to solve the puzzle. However, each explanation has provided only a partial clue and, to make matters worse, all the explanations contradict one another.

"My study is the first to propose a comprehensive theory that explains all the seemingly contradictory findings," asserts the young scholar in a telephone conversation from his home in Maryland. The 32-year-old Elhaik conducted his research at the School of Public Health of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. Earlier this month, he published his findings in an article, "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses," in the journal Genome Biology and Evolution, published by Oxford University Press. One of the scholars who reviewed the article before its publication described it as more profound than all the previous studies on the ancestry of the Jewish people.

In our telephone interview, Elhaik, who does not hide his light under a bushel, describes his study as a "breakthrough" and says he has provided the scholarly foundations for an ancient and controversial theory claiming that European or Ashkenazi Jews are descendants of the Khazars. The Khazar Empire consisted of various peoples (Iranians, Turks, Slavs, Caucasians and others ), and ruled over a vast territory stretching from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea during the medieval period. According to this theory, the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century and their descendants are the "European" or Ashkenazi Jews who live today in Israel and the Diaspora.


The commonly accepted narrative considers the Jews to be descended from residents of the Kingdom of Judah who were exiled and returned to their native land - the modern-day State of Israel - only after thousands of years of exile. In contrast, this new study supports the theory that the Jews are descended from different peoples who lived in various regions in the Mediterranean Sea Basin, and who converted to Judaism in different eras. According to that theory, the story of the exile from Judah, the exilic life led by Jews in the countries of the Diaspora and their continual longing for their native homeland can be considered a myth.

"My research refutes 40 years of genetic studies, all of which have assumed that the Jews constitute a group that is genetically isolated from other nations," notes Elhaik. His study is based on comprehensive genetic data published in other studies. In the absence of such data on the Khazars themselves, Elhaik - following a procedure commonly used by researchers in his field - relied on figures relating to populations that are genetically similar to the Khazars, such as Georgians, Armenians and Caucasians. Elhaik says "they have all emerged from the same genetic 'soup.'"

After conducting numerous analyses utilizing various techniques, some of which have never been employed before, the researcher discovered what he describes as the Khazar component of European Jewry. According to his findings, the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. Among Central European and East European Jews, this component is the most dominant in their genome, accounting for 38 and 30 percent, respectively.

What other components constitute the genome of European Jews?

Elhaik: "[They are] primarily of Western European origin, which is rooted in the Roman Empire, and Middle Eastern origin, whose source is probably Mesopotamia, although it is possible that part of that component can be attributed to Israeli Jews."

The latter datum is of considerable importance because it "reconnects" European Jews to Israel. However, that connection amounts to only a small part of the makeup of the genome, and that figure is not statistically significant enough to establish that the origin of the Jews is the Kingdom of Judah.

According to Elhaik's study, there is a genetic continuum linking the Jews of Iran, the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and Georgia with the European Jews. In other words, it is possible that these groups share common ancestors - namely, the Khazars.

The geneticist goes on to explain that, among the various groups of European and non-European Jews, there are no blood or family connections: "The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion."

The bottom line, he claims, is that the "genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar."

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Just goes to show you cannot trust genetic science.

Same BS as with the out-of-africa theories.

 

Of course you're always at liberty to ignore the evidence + just carry on believing whatever you choose to.

Perhaps like the Adam + Eve - story , WOT ?


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I am not disputing the basic findings. I am just wondering who you think is denying the connection. (I am Jewish and I do not deny the connection.)

I agree with the archaeologist discussed in the article you posted that Judaism (like Islam and Chrisitianity) is a religion whose members have a diverse genetic makeup. There is no dispute that the Khazars (or at least the rulers of the Khazars - a Turkic people) converted to Judaism and it would not surprise me if there was some kind of diaspora of Khazar converts across the Ukaine into Europe when the Khazar empire was destroyed. Furthermore, though there were not as many converts to Judaism as there were to Islam or Christianity, there have been converts to Judaism over the centuries. "Non-semites" can convert to Judaism today. (For example, my wife is ethnic Chinese and converted to Judaism after a lengthy process. Our kids - who obviously have a diverse genetic heritage - are also Jewish.)

So again I ask, who is denying the "Khazar connection"?

 

Fine studies of the origins of Jewish political agenda's can be found by googling,
"prof. kevin macdonald."

 

You mean this guy? (What is the political agenda in YOUR opinion BTW? Who are leaders of the Jewish political agenda? Is there a Christian political agenda?)

[video=youtube;k9ScVv5PukA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ScVv5PukA[/video]

 

Good find - thank you.


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An excavation of an 11th-12th century house in Itil, a Silk Road city that served as the Khazar capital, about 1280 km south of Moscow, July 30, 2005.Photo by AP




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Genetics is fascinating. Glad to know that he published it for peer review and I would be curious as to the professional response to it.

What I found interesting- though not terribly surprising is below:

According to his findings, the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. Among Central European and East European Jews, this component is the most dominant in their genome, accounting for 38 and 30 percent, respectively.

What other components constitute the genome of European Jews?

Elhaik: "[They are] primarily of Western European origin, which is rooted in the Roman Empire, and Middle Eastern origin, whose source is probably Mesopotamia, although it is possible that part of that component can be attributed to Israeli Jews."

So regardless of whether the majority of their genes come from Khazar or Roman Empire- the author notes it is possible that part of the component can be attributed to Israeli Jews.

Fascinating stuff- especially since it expands the knowledge of who the ancient Jews were. But even if 5% of an Ashkenazi's roots are from ancient Israel- then they still have roots there.

 

http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/conte...ract?sid=54c7e2d1-1068-46d1-b2df-db4236e6997a

The abstract is interesting:

Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe major difference among Caucasus populations explained by early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications on the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and medical studies


The article itself is fascinating.

 

The prevalence of haplogroup J is a confirmation of the fact that Jewish male lineages are predominantly Middle Eastern.

It has been known for over a decade that a majority of men who self report as members of the Jewish priesthood (Cohanim) carry a characteristic Y chromosome haplotype termed the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH). The CMH has since been used to trace putative Jewish ancestral origins of various populations. However, the limited number of binary and STR Y chromosome markers used previously did not provide the phylogenetic resolution needed to infer the number of independent paternal lineages that are encompassed within the Cohanim or their coalescence times. Accordingly, we have genotyped 75 binary markers and 12 Y-STRs in a sample of 215 Cohanim from diverse Jewish communities, 1,575 Jewish men from across the range of the Jewish Diaspora, and 2,099 non-Jewish men from the Near East, Europe, Central Asia, and India. While Cohanim from diverse backgrounds carry a total of 21 Y chromosome haplogroups, 5 haplogroups account for 79.5% of Cohanim Y chromosomes. The most frequent Cohanim lineage (46.1%) is marked by the recently reported P58 T->C mutation, which is prevalent in the Near East. Based on genotypes at 12 Y-STRs, we identify an extended CMH on the J-P58* background that predominates in both Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Cohanim and is remarkably absent in non-Jews. The estimated divergence time of this lineage based on 17 STRs is 3,190 +/- 1,090 years. Notably, the second most frequent Cohanim lineage (J-M410*, 14.4%) contains an extended modal haplotype that is also limited to Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Cohanim and is estimated to be 4.2 +/- 1.3 ky old. These results support the hypothesis of a common origin of the CMH in the Near East well before the dispersion of the Jewish people into separate communities, and indicate that the majority of contemporary Jewish priests descend from a limited number of paternal lineages.


J-P58*’s frequencies among Middle Eastern populations

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/09/the-adventure-of-the-cohen-modal-haplotype/#.UOS11W919SQ

 

FACT BREAK!
(needed here for both antisemite refutation and confused/perplexed Jew data bank)
The 'Khazar' thing has been refuted Genetically, Sociologically, and Historically.
Only the Khazar Royalty converted to Judaism, but most become.. drum roll, Muslims.
Be glad to post links if you can't do your own googling.
Pathetic it is too in this day and age to just accept a poster's word, especially one who started this string.

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
PNAS/Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

 

That is also what history tells us as well, that the Jews are distant Babylonians, who may or may not have migrated to Egypt first, but who eventually endedup in the Levant, not from from their Babylonian homeland.

 

Halpogroups show human immigrations and they are not connected to nationality.

Khazar state had to deal with a very pressing political mater , from one side they had the Asian muslims and from the other the Byzantine christians and they converted to judaism in order to preserve their identity and resist expansionist neighbours .

Jews are not distant "Babylonians" , they are Semitic people like the Mesopotamian and Arabic peninsula nations , think of the Dutch who of course are not distant Vikings but they belong to the same Germanic group of people Norwegians and Swedes do.

 

Some perhaps , are - most are certainly NOT. Jewish lineage is matriarchal - Fathers was not always a Jew - children were often Mamzers . Europes brothels was for centuries home for large numbers of Jewish women.

As Jack recently said on another thread :

work it out for yourselves.

tata.

 

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Poppycock - According to reliable historical records , whenever a King adopted/converted to a religion , the Masses joined - followed his example.

I'm NO geneticist - wont pretend to understand it and have good reasons to mistrust "scientific studies " commission - funded by and to support a political program - especially such as Zionism.

Its worth noting that the OP of this thread did NOT originate from Muslims/Anti-semites/Neo-Nazis etc, - it originates from an Israel born Jew Dr. Eran Elhaik - there are also others , which I wont post in full as its rathee lengthy.

Those of you are really interested can click here its also NOT from Muslims /anti-semites - it s Kosher from a Jewish source.:

http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

EXtracts :
"{{{THE JEWISH STORY AND A REASSESSMENT OF THE DNA EVIDENCE

Ellen Levy-Coffman

"The word “Ashkenazi” is derived from the Hebrew word for Germany, while “Sephardic” is derived form the Hebrew word for Spain. The word “Ashkenazi” was first used in medieval rabbinical literature to define western European Jews. An interesting story was related by author Arthur Koestler, who noted that the term “Ashkenaz” is also mentioned in the Hebrew bible, referring to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Armenia. Probably for this reason, the Khazars, a people who lived in and around this area in ancient times and converted to Judaism in the 7th- 8th centuries, came to believe they were the descendants of these biblical people. Some scholars argue that they began to call themselves “Ashkenazim” when they migrated to Poland in the 13th century. Eventually, perhaps, the term came to describe the community as a whole, not just the Khazarian immigrants (Koestler 1976, pp. 181-182)
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The Levites: The DNA of the Jewish Khazarian Priests



The other Jewish priestly caste is known as the “Levites.” Like the Cohanim, Levites are recorded in the Hebrew Bible as direct descendants of Aaron, Israel’s first High Priest. In fact, the Cohanim are actually a special subsection of the Levites (Telushkin 1997, p. 125).



In the second study published on the Cohanim, researchers reported that despite a priori expectations, Jews who identified themselves as Levites did not share a common set of markers with the Cohanim (Thomas et al. 199. Unfortunately, the reporting that the Levites did not share a genetic signature from a common patrilineal ancestor with the Cohanim flew in the face of Jewish tradition. This led to some rather bizarre and disparaging explanations, like the following from Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman (1999) in Jewish Action:



It is interesting to note that the tribe of Levi has a history of lack of quantity…After the Babylonian exile, the Levi’im (plural) failed to return en masse to Jerusalem, though urged by Ezra the Scribe to do so (They were therefore fined by losing their exclusive rights to maser.). Though statistically, the Levi’im should be more numerous than Cohanim, in synagogues today it is not unusual to have a minyan with a surplus of Cohanim, yet not one Levi.}}}

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[" Conclusion: Future Jewish DNA Studies



The DNA studies have revealed a high degree of genetic interrelatedness among Ashkenazi groups, particularly among those of Eastern Europe. This common ancestry can be attributed to a small founding population, coupled with rapid population growth and a high rate of endogamy over the past 500 years. The studies also indicate a sharing of genetic ancestry between eastern and western Ashkenazim, supporting the view that some portion of Eastern European Jewry was founded by western Ashkenazim.



DNA research has also revealed significant genetic links between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish populations, despite their separation for generations. With the Cohanim study, researchers found a clear genetic connection between the Jewish priests and a shared Israelite ancestor from the past. Additional genetic results suggest that the Ashkenazim can trace at least part of their ancestry to their Israelite forbearers.



But Jewish DNA presents a picture that is far more complex than just the Cohanim results. This picture is also far more diverse than what many genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jews would suggest. Instead, many of those studies have focused heavily on the Israelite DNA results, often downplaying the significant contribution of European and Khazarian ancestors. The examination of only a single component of Jewish ancestry has resulted in an incomplete and, to a certain extent, distorted presentation of the Jewish genetic picture.



Diversity was present from Jewish beginnings, when various Semitic and Mediterranean peoples came together to form the Israelites of long ago. The genetic picture was clearly enriched during the Diaspora, when Jews spread far and wide across Europe, attracting converts and intermarrying over time with their European hosts. The most recent DNA evidence indicates that from this blending of Middle Eastern and European ancestors, the diverse DNA ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews emerged.



Although the debate over the fate of the Khazars is far from over, DNA research suggests that remnants of these mysterious people continue to exist within the genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews. In fact, the Levite results indicate that the Khazars became fully integrated into the Ashkenazi communities and came to play an important role within the Jewish priesthood.



The Cohanim results do not disprove the genetic contribution of the Khazars. Rather, the DNA studies indicate that Jews are not entirely Khazarian, Israelite or European in genetic makeup, but a complex and unique mixture of all these peoples.



Genetic studies of the future will hopefully clarify many of the remaining mysteries surrounding the origins and formation of the Ashkenazi communities. For instance, the origins and distribution of the most common mtDNA haplogroup among Ashkenazim – haplogroup K – remains unexplored. Additionally, tantalizing differences in the genetic makeup of western and eastern Ashkenazi populations remain to be fully investigated by DNA researchers.



In addition to the Ashkenazim, many other Jewish groups are ripe for study by genetic researchers. Examination of these groups will no doubt help illuminate their common genetic bonds as well as their differences with other Jewish populations. Groups such as the Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews await study of their own unique DNA makeup.



In conclusion, much remains to be explored regarding the DNA of various Jewish populations. Future DNA studies will undoubtedly provide a clearer picture of the various heterogeneous peoples who came together over time to form the Jewish people of today. "]

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Cheers....

 

How cultural traits have to do anything with genetics ?
Phoenicians were Semitic , Haldeans were Semitic , Assyrians are Semitic , Arabs are Semitic .

*Jewish "scientists" connecting Semitic people with Black Sea Tartars make baby Buddha crap blood

 

Oh and this thread had such promise- actually presenting a scientific paper.

Little did I realize that it was just the basis for anti-Jewish BS

When it comes to sex, the jewish women does not discriminate between jewish or non-jewish males for, regardless who impregnates her, her kids according to ancient laws emanating from some dissatisfied babylonian hookers are jewish. The jewish male, on the other hand, is a dud, his kids are not considered Jewish according to ancient talmudic laws.

What utter crap.

 

That's where we differ - first of all - do you believe the bible story about Shemites + Hamites ? I hope you're aware of the different races/peoples - ethnic groups spread throughout the Arabic speaking world from the Atlantic - a broad band across Africa and to the Arabian (aka Persian) Gulf.

Secondly , what's your definition of Arab ? Is there really such thing as Arab blood ?

This is not trick questions, coz I really dont know and would like to know.

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Has anyone asked a converted Muslim his origin??????????? Speaking of Khazars... there were more Khazars converted to Islam than Khazars to Judaism. The Camel does not see his own protrusion.

 

Thank you and I wish you well .
As for the US opting for Mr. Hagel would be a catastrophe

 

Hamitic are several races of people with different characteristics , for example Neil-Hamitic (Nubians) have huge jaws and very black skin .
When i posted about Arabs i meant Arabs not Saharan tribes like the Berbers or the Tuareg . Arabs are a sub category of the Semitic people like those i mentioned in my post . Today those l terms have more of a linguistic value than anything else otherwise how can someone categorise Slavs or Germans ?

 

Thanks for doing the research and finding the article.

 

I am new here but I am not new to political boards. I am not surprised that you found some Jews that "denied the Khazarian roots" of modern Judaism.

My ancestors came from the Ukraine and Byellorus and I was a history buff so I knew about Khazaria and the Khazars a long time ago. BTW, I would guess that Justice Elena Kagan (of the Supreme Court) likely has some Khazar roots. The title of the ruler of the Khazars was "kaghan" (like "khan" in other turkic-mongolian languages.)

I'll end with a quote from the Wikipedia article on the Khazars (which is pretty good IMHO).

At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and part of the general population may have followed.[41] The extent of the conversion is debated. The 10th-century Persian historian Ibn al-Faqih reported that "all the Khazars are Jews." Notwithstanding this statement, most scholars believe that only the upper classes converted to Judaism;[42] there is some support for this in contemporary Muslim texts.[43]

Khazars

 

Are you a member of the settler movement? Just curious.